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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 12:11 
Redfin Perch - (Perca fluviatilis)

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Common Name:
English Perch

Other Names:
European perch, Redfin perch, Redfin

Family:
Percidae

Scientific Name:
Perca fluviatilis Linnaeus, 1758

Status:
Introduced


Description:

Redfin can be recognised by the following features:

... a deep body and a slightly forked tail;

... two distinctly separate dorsal fins, the first with 12-17 strong spines and a distinct black blotch at the rear;

... a pattern of five or more broad black vertical bands across the back, tapering on the sides (more prominent in younger fish);

... bright reddish-orange pelvic and anal fins and tail.

The body colour varies from olive green to grey on the back, fading to greenish or silvery on the sides and whitish on the belly.

Redfin can grow to 60 cm in length and around 10 kg in weight, but are more commonly found up to 45 cm and 1-2 kg.

Habitat:

Redfin live in a wide variety of habitats, but prefer still or slow-flowing waters such as lakes, dams, billabongs, swamps and slower moving streams and rivers. They prefer areas with good shelter such as snags (submerged dead wood and trees), vegetation or rocks, but have also been caught in open water.

Tolerances:

Temperature Range - <10°C with an upperwater temperature limit about 31°C.

pH Range - Unknown

Feeding:

Redfin perch are carnivorous and feed on a wide variety of foods ranging from small invertebrates (such as crustaceans, worms, molluscs and insect larvae) to fish. They are known to hunt fish either solitarily (by ambushing or stalking their prey) or in organised groups. In groups, they herd shoals of small fish until encircled or pinned against the bank; a few of the redfin then chase into the shoal while the majority hold position and prey on fleeing fish. Schools of redfin also use a similar method known as “beating”, where they flush out insects and small fish from weed beds or other shelter into open water, where they become easy prey for waiting redfin. Such methods give them their reputation as voracious predators.

Reproduction:

Spawning occurs at night in late winter and spring (mid August to late October) when water temperatures reach 12°C, in quiet areas away from fast currents.

They lay several hundred thousand eggs in a gelatinous ribbon amongst aquatic vegetation, submerged logs or other sheltered areas.

The egg mass is unpalatable to most other fish and is hence generally protected from predation.

Hatching occurs 7-8 days later, with juvenile fish schooling for some time to help avoid predation, before becoming solitary.

Redfin usually take 2-6 years to reach sexual maturity, but some have been found to be reproductively mature at 1 year of age.

Distribution:

Redfin Perch are distributed widely throughout NSW and Victoria. Substantial populations also occur in Tasmania and areas of WA...

NSW Distribution
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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 12:17 
Some links regarding Redfin Perch ....

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/DPI/nreninf.n ... Redfin.pdf] Redfin in Victoria

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/pes ... dfin-perch

http://www.mdbc.gov.au/NFS/alien_specie ... dfin_perch

http://www.mdbc.gov.au/subs/fish-info/a ... perch.html

http://www.int-res.com/articles/dao/22/d022p211.pdf

http://eprints.utas.edu.au/432/1/Redfin_report.pdf

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=TMU ... t#PPA91,M1

http://www.growfish.com.au/grow/Files/Fn069.pdf

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/asset ... idgee9.pdf

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... arms-.html


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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 13:24 
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They lay several hundred thousand eggs

Does that mean several hundred thousand fish would be created. :shock: less a few as fish food.
That would create a nice ammonia spike.
How would it be possible to bread in BYAP............. :| :?


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Carefull of the state regs, they are considered a pest fish in South Oz.

see bottom of this page: http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fisheries/aqua ... _fish_list


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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 14:02 
As they are in all states... as pointed out in various threads previously...


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RupertofOZ wrote:
As they are in all states... as pointed out in various threads previously...


OK, The reason for your thread is just as a research thing then? ( not having a go, just curious)

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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 14:15 
Yep the thread was put in this topic for general information ... see the Topic summary... :roll:

There seems to be plenty of discussion occuring in various other posts...

So it's proabably not a bad idea if everyone wants to confine discussion about Redfin to a specific thread... :wink:


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PostPosted: Aug 27th, '08, 15:27 
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Hi Rupert,
I have transferred this from my thread. Do you agree that the comments raised by this should also be transferred across.

Alex

I have just had a long discussion with the DPI here in Vic re Redfin and Jade Perch.

You can keep Redfin in an AP unit in Vic. You can breed and sell Redfin if you obtain a licence to do so which can also cover other fish species & yabbies.

The licence costs around $300 per year.

You can keep Jade Perch in an AP unit in Vic.

You require a permit obtainable from the DPI to import any fish not native to Vic into Vic.

You do not need a licence to grow fish or yabbies for your own use in Vic.

My contact at the DPI is Andrew Clarke who is very interested in AP.
Telephone: (03) 9658 4373
Facsimile: (03) 9658 4203
Email: andrew.clarke@dpi.vic.gov.au
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Redfin suffer from a virus a factsheet on the disease can be found at http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets ... crosis.pdf.

Since it is legal to keep redfin in an AP system in Vic some of us are interested in thier potential as an AP species. Of course they are a pest species so it would be important to ensure they are not released into the wild.

Alex's thread has some of the previous discussion.
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PostPosted: Aug 31st, '08, 21:27 
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SO, who in victoria within 1.5hrs of melbourne is willing to catch redfin and sell them to me?

I'd be after 50 or so. what would be a fair price to ask?


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I would be interested to see if they can be "trained" to take pellets, or would one need to establish a feeder tank for a food supply?

just asking out of interest..

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steve wrote:
SO, who in Victoria within 1.5hrs of Melbourne is willing to catch Redfin and sell them to me?

I'd be after 50 or so. what would be a fair price to ask?

Hi Steve,
No doubt you have read the warnings that I posted. You may not be able to have native fish if you have Redfin due to the supposed virus they carry. It will kill the natives and the Redfin if it breaks out.
I will give you 50 when I get some. Katunga is more than two hrs from Melb. It will do you the world of good to get out and see the real world. Getting them for nothing should be enough incentive to come up when I or Froggo have some.
Just give me enough time to complete this move and settle down.
I did have a good supply lined up near Kyneton but the rain at the weekend has washed them away. Will recheck when it dries off a bit.
We could maybe make a day of catching some if they are there.
They are an hour and abit from Melb.

himzol they will eat anything, one should have no problem getting them onto pellets.

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Going through the various areas of the DPI NSW site it appears to me that Redfin although classed as pests are not classed as noxious and it would appear to my reckoning that they may be kept in an enclosed system?? I have been known to be mistaken on interpretation( But wife i thought you said i should buy that ....... :blackeye: ) Anybody with a definitive answer? and where can i getem?


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PostPosted: Sep 1st, '08, 13:12 
Here you go Elefant... http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/pes ... vegetation

RedFin Perch is not listed as "noxious" in NSW... although it is a declared pest...

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/pes ... dfin-perch

In the above link DPI wrote:
Don’t transfer redfin between waterways or introduce them into farm dams. New populations of redfin can quickly build up to large numbers, leading to stunted fish which are poor angling and poor eating and replace other recreational species.

Don’t use live redfin (or any other live finfish) as bait in freshwater - it’s illegal and carries a high risk of infesting new areas with redfin.

Obtain a permit to stock fish – and buy fingerlings from a registered hatchery to prevent contamination with unwanted species.

Don’t return redfin to the water – large redfin are good sport and eating fish and there are no bag or size limits on them. Please keep ALL redfin you catch and don't release them into our waterways or dams.

Prevent unwanted hitchhikers – check, clean, and dry boats and gear between waterways. Ensuring your boat and trailer are free of weed before re-launching can help avoid the possibility of spreading redfin eggs and juveniles.

Assist efforts to restore our rivers (which can help native fauna to out-compete redfin and other pest fish), for example by taking part on a RiverCare or LandCare project or by conserving and restoring riparian vegetation on your own land.

Take part in native fish restocking programs with your local angling group.

If you find what you believe is a redfin perch Report it!


Reckon that should about clear things up ... :wink:


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