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PostPosted: Apr 24th, '08, 22:57 
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PostPosted: Apr 24th, '08, 23:06 
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Yes, mulm nitrates can be got through roots mainly ...
I was emphasizing that aquatic plants will compete with bacteria and thus you will have a lower bacteria population which is bad for terrestrial plant AP.
So this is dangerous and you need to take care of this, that all.

I have not setup planted tanks, this is a weed, hydrilla. I don't even have a glass tank! Only plastic tubs.
Plus only 4 months of experience (including the 1 month cycle time)

So I'm really nooby. (Besides it says your're bordering on legend! There's no competition here for the noob prize between us :wink: )


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PostPosted: Apr 24th, '08, 23:11 
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But even so I have started to come to the realisation that a lot of the magic is not about what the plants can take from the water, but what they can take from the bacteria colonys.
Yeah sure... this gets a confirmation from Dr. Savidov's hydroponics comparision experiment.
So it may not be about just the water and whatever is in solution in it ... ! :)


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PostPosted: Apr 24th, '08, 23:51 
It was long help that aquaponics would only successfully grow lettuce, basil etc... not flowering, fruiting plants....

Perhaps because the majority of early systems were DWC/floating raft style opeartions...

The advent of flood and drain gravel growbeds changed that perception (as widely demonstrated by many here)... although many have questioned why such growbeds are successfull in this regard.....

Most here would in fact probably say it's for exactly the reasons you postulate Don.... the plants take up not only the nitrates but necessary trace elements directly through the extensive (deep) root structures that flood and drain growbeds encourage....

And IMHO... it's because such beds trap the solids which DWC systems, or those that employ primary solids filters/skimmers, remove..... the breakdown of the solids, which is done by bacteria, no doubt provides the "sludge" available to the roots to enable the direct nitrate uptake....

Which is why, other than NFT, (which requires it).... most of us can't really understand the desire to remove solids by pre-filtering....


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 00:53 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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don't forget the worms. Worms need a place to work and the grow beds are great for them! :flower:
Sorry just had to throw that in after reading the worms in the sump thread :geek:


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 18:47 
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i didnt check your link to the aquatic plants, but be careful about generalizations in websites.

for example, as far as i know, duckweed's preferred N source is ammoina where as Java moss prefers NO2

i think it may be plant specific.


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IMHO be patient and let it work, sometimes the mystery of things is wonderful. A quote from and old friend "I measure I worry"


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 20:24 
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Oh ok Steve...

If you're bored do have skim through that page, it's not that bad.

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A quote from and old friend "I measure I worry"
Yay i don't need a test kit then. (just kidding.)
Yes of course too much fruitless introspection and unneccesary worrying will be of no use.


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Yes of course too much fruitless introspection and unneccesary worrying will be of no use.


Well that's just poured cold water over fifty years of my life then .... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: May 11th, '08, 02:59 
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Members who have a growbed volume to fishtank volume of 1:4 or lesser or around that, could you please post a link to your threads here?

I want to look at your flood and drain rates or if it is continuous.
I could also learn something useful by reading your threads as I have such a system myself.


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