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 Post subject: ANZAC DAY!
PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 10:19 
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before ducking for cover...
I have to say, this years Dawn service was the largest, most moving
I have been to!
With the service at 555am and me scurrying around at 545 to find a parking spot in Marg's was a challenge.
The addition of the HMAS Sydneys' now know location and subsequent memorial,
was welcomed, also the battle of the Western Front...
sorry can't see...
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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 10:49 
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Well said C1,
The Adelaide dawn service was likewise.....moving and very well attended.
We will remember them!

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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 12:01 
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Today was the first Dawn service I have attended. I took my son down to Giru with my Dad (returned serviceman).
The Giru Dawn service started about 15yrs ago when a couple of returned serviceman, my Dad included, met in the park with a tape recorder and played a pre recorded service from the back of the ute. Today there was a bus load of RAAF as well and about 50 people in total.



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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 13:56 
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I go every year with whatever kids are home at the time. It means even more when some of your children are serving members. And I'm with you, C1, finding the Sydney just added to the whole shebang. Hope they find the Centaur, torpedoed off ?Caloundra on the Sunshine Coast. I have sat for hours at the memorial wondering...


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 14:16 
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The parade and march past was a scary sight!
Many more decendants of vets and diggers than vets and diggers.

ALL GAVE SOME
SOME GAVE ALL!


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 14:30 
Just a significant find as the "Sydney" was the discovery of the AE2 submarine and the forgotten role it played in the Gallipoli campaign... still considered by many as one of the finest feats of submarining.... projects are underway to raise the AE2


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As part of the naval operations in the Dardanelles Campaign, AE2 made its first attempt to navigate the Dardanelles straits on 24 April, she penetrated 6 nautical miles (11 km) before being forced back with mechanical problems. At 0230 hours on 25 April 1915 under the command of Lieutenant Commander Henry Dacre Stoker, RAN AE2 again attempted to force her way through the straits. At approximately 0430 hours Stoker dived the boat in response to fire from the Turkish guns. By 0600 hours AE2 reached Chanak the narrowest part of the strait and then proceeded to torpedo the Turkish gunboat Peyk I Sevket while simultaneously taking evasive actions to avoid an enemy destroyer. During the evasion Stoker ran the boat aground directly under a Turkish fort, fortunately the fort was unable to lower its guns onto the AE2. After 4 minutes of being exposed on the bank AE2 slid back into deeper waters.

Shortly after grounding a second time the periscope of AE2 was sighted by a Turkish battleship firing over the peninsular at British positions. On sighting the periscope the battleship ceased fire and retreated to a safe position. AE2 continued to make a steady advance toward the Sea of Marmara. At 0830 Stoker decided to rest the boat on the ocean bottom, waiting for the safety of dark. On surfacing he sighted no enemies and proceeded into the Sea of Marmara becoming the first Allied submarine to pass through the Dardanelles Strait.

Stoker signalled his success to his commanders. The commanders of the landings were discussing the possibility of re-embarking the force, the news of AE2's success changed the mood of the conversation and talk of a withdrawal was ended. News of the success of AE2 was spread among Anzac troops to encourage them. AE2 was ordered to Generally run amok, Stoker intended to give the impression that there where multiple submarines in the area. Due to mechanical problems AE2, though making repeated attacks, managed no further hits on Turkish vessels. On 30 April AE2 began to rise uncontrollably and surfaced around 1-nautical-mile (2 km) from the torpedo boat Sultanhisar. Stoker ordered the boat to dive, she went down too deep passing safety levels, then after frantic attempts to resurface the boat she broke surface stern first. Within moments of surfacing she was hit by shellfire, Stoker ordered his crew to abandon ship. All members of the crew survived the attack, though 3 died during the 3 and a half years in captivity. AE2's achievements showed others that the task was possible, within months the Turkish communications line had been badly disrupted.



Sadly the success of AE2 in many ways contributed to to continuance of the Gallipoli campaign at Anzac Cove....

The inital landings were a blood bath and the second wave of landing craft were unable to beach due to the shell fire from the Turkish battleship firing over the peninsular at British Naval positions.... sighting the periscope of the AE2, the battleship broke of the shelling attack and ran for cover....

At the time orders were being drawn up to abandon the beachfront and withdraw... the cessation of shelling allowed for the second landings to establish a beach-head and so the campaign at Anzac Cove began it's bloody history...

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Thanks for that Rup!


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 14:58 
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Today was the first time in a long time that I didnt go and I actually feel quite sad for not going. Whether huddled up with a small group at the local RSL or at the Shrine on mass its still a moving experience.
"For your tomorrow, we gave our today"

We will remember them

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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 19:31 
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I'm torn by the whole "ANZAC thing".

I visited "Gelibolu" as it's know to the locals when I was traveling in Turkey, and participated in the obligatory tour of the area. Our tour guide did a great job showing us all the famous areas, keen for all of us Aussies to have our package tour of the famous sites. Spouting all the facts and figures, we heard about the famous battles, the famous Aussie ingenuity and bravery, the characters like Simpson and his donkey etc, it was a very informative and moving day.

After our day long tour around the area, he took us back to the museum in the afternoon where he was dropping us off, and asked just one last thing of us.... He pointed out that the Australian losses were tragic, that around 7,000 Aussies had died there. But then he asked us to remember that between 80,000 and 200,000 of his Turkish countrymen had also died there..... And..... That it was their country that they were defending...

That floored me.....

I'd spent many months in their country and had become extremely good friends with some of the locals I'd lived with in Istanbul. Now, somehow, the idea of remembering the brave ANZACS doesn't come so easily. I could now see it intimately from the other side of the situation as well.

Now the mention of ANZAC doesn't fill me with pride as it once did years ago... Now I'm only reminded of the complete stupidity, and utter futility of war.

Lest we forget??? I don't think so... More like, "If only we could learn." Remembering is useless if we don't learn from the past.


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 19:49 
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No disrespect intended to those connected with Anzac.

And on a much broader note-Just think if 0.5% of todays WORLD military spending and arms trading expenditures were put toward aquaponics.

Or even food and contraceptives.......

According to the web........its over a trillion dollars :shock:

Is the answer $500 billion?

What a different world we would have today.

And I realize I have no business on this topic-but this seemed appropriate.


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 19:53 
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Hopefully we remember the ones who were sent, not the idiots who sent them; on both sides.


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 19:55 
Indeed EB... a point sometimes lost amongst the newly found patriotic fervour....

Strangely we often forget the reality of the fact that the ANZAC "legend", both in Gallipoli and the Western Front, arose from some of the most horrendous and monumental stuff ups and mis-planning of "empiracal" crusty old war-mongers and politicians stupidity....

And well it should be "Lest We Forget"..... unfortunately history seems to indicate that we have consistently forgotten....

That said the "legend" and observance of ANZAC DAY was never meant to be a glorification of war... completely the opposite. And most of the old diggers would remind us of such....

And most are privately scathing of the politicians and politics, both of those times and more recent history....

The valour exhibited by "ordinary" men, on both sides of the conflict at ANZAC Cove is worthy of remembrance in it's own right... and even the Turks hold it with significance and recognise it for what it truely was....

So I say... yes, "lest we forget".... because unfortunately we have .... WWII, Horoshima,Korea, Vietnam, Iraqi.....

Still we fall prey to the idiocy of the politics of power, still we fall prey to the manipulation of "patriotism" for political purpose....

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lol for some reason I thought you would be the first to object to the thread joel................life and society and ppls thoughts were alot different in those days...maybe even described as an innocent ignorance when it came to national pride......................the english sent us there, the anzacs did what they thought was right at the time...even if IT was for england....................yes LEST WE FORGET we remember those that fell and not what they did..i dont think anybody wants to commemorate the deaths suffered by both sides REGARDLESS of the numbers(more turks did die...you blame their government who kept funneling the troups into that part of the war)........the diggers did what they could to SURVIVE against the orders of the british heirachy....today has NEVER been about that...................if you want ppl to learn...maybe start a crusade/educational tour to George W.....dont rubbish those australians that did what they thought were right and died...............LEST WE FORGET

ps I dont think war is right either.....death is sensless, we were told to help another country.....lol im sure you would be thinkin differently if you fish were talking in german ;)

yes it was their land they were defending........pommes sent us and spent most of it trying to survive.maybe you shouldda watched the doco called galipoli thqat was sbs tonight lol


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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 20:06 
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wrote a reply for this thread 3 times and didnt post it each time. too hard to get it to sound right. i'll try now...............

I get abit emotional each time i hear one of the old diggers on the radio, or listen to a narrative.........

i have the utmost respect for the people that gave up their innocence and put their life on the line for what they were told was what was needed to be done.

policy and policy makers are another story. It does not matter to me if it was the right call or wrong call when talking about the "ones on the ground" they are the ones giving up their lives for what they are told is right.

put another way, i think the whole vietnam thing stinks, but i also think it stinks that. returned servicemen were treated like shit. poor pricks.

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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '08, 20:12 
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"Object and sour the thread" Bundy???? I don't think so... I haven't rubbished anyone, I've merely put forward my thoughts and feeling surrounding this day.. You're obviously misinterpreting what I am trying to say.


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