Backyard Aquaponics
A place to discuss aquaponics

I notice that no one has an answer except this: We will be okay, we will figure it out...

And so we wait to do something. This is like speeding in a car for a cliff and everyone saying, "Don't worry, something will happen good" but no one has an idea what.

Remember, before we started using fossil fuel the world population was much less. MUCH less.

We are eating fossil fuels folks - when they run out, it isn't going to be pretty.

By the way - in case people didn't know, I have no worries. We own 200 hectares (and about to add another 13 hectares this coming week) of land in the tropics. We have wild rivers and streams which produce plenty of electricity and you can get fat walking through the plantations picking fruit. I have ponds with fish in it as well as my hobbie aguaponics (2,000 liters of fish), etc. I think we own 18 cows, bunches of chickens, ducks and about 12 horses.

This is all debt free - heck, I can even grow my oil palm oil if I want too!

But I am more than a little concerned about civilization of how it will take the impact if we don't prepare and get used to the idea.

CRT you might have a few visitors if things get really bad...
specially since you have all that goodness happening there mate!
How close is your nearest town?
solong as you are making an ffort your on the right track IMHO.
C1

CRTD, do you have offspring to worry about?

There's a song..."Country Boys Can Survive", might seem all well and good while things are as they are. Imagine for a second what will it be like when all this sudden change takes place. Millions of inner city dwelling folk fleeing to the hills, ready to steal, kill, whatever they have to do to live because they sure don't have a clue as to how to do it otherwise. Don't think for a second they're gonna casually walk up and ask you to show them how to live a sustainable lifestyle. Better stock up with plenty of self defense in addition to your off the grid life because you will need it, we all will. Mad Max probably isn't too far from the reality that will be.

Capitalism is killing the future for us and our families. For people in the US I suggest reading everything from http://www.teamlaw.org

You can remove your self from this system, but I find most people really dont want freedom.

As to energy sources, we have solutions. However, no one is going to do it unless like that co-op in California that made ethanol plant. And speaking of ethanol, FORGET CORN! Cat tails grown in our sewer would produce more than enough fuel for us. Can tails are 70% starch. They grow faster and heavier than corn.

As far as technology goes there are plenty of options. The hydrogen revolution happened 100 years ago. There are plenty of options, but as long as profit is the driving force then nothing is going to change. Solar is really the only energy source anyway. Plants take carbon from the air and hydrogen from water forming hydro carbons using solar, wind is solar heat, PV and the cheaper plastic PV, heat driven steam generators, ect, ect.. All good options, all solar. My favorite is taking cat tails producing ethanol using the left overs via destructive distillation, collecting the methane and methanol then using the carbon with steam to produce hydrogen. Lots of fuel all carbon neutral, all solar based.

The fact is that if people dont care enough to get it done themselves (co-ops) then its not likely to ever happen. If a country needs a resource they just try to steal if from another country(wars).

oops , I forgot that the forum doesnt have a "drunk filter" , then again , maybe I need to install one in my stomach to stop the problem at its source

We are a couple of miles from the nearest time - so not really remote.

Yep, a son and daughter - both married. We have space for them.

I am inherently distrustful of government solutions - I never wait for a government hand.

Anytime someone in the government tells me they want to help me, I check my wallet!

its not that hard folks look at your aquaponics systems.

ultimately its driven by the fish food.

you have 9 billion bacterias running around saying life is grand. rampant plant growth high stocking density, as long as the food keeps coming everyones happy.

cut the feed and everything goes to the shit.

possibly a BETTER definition is Eutrophication

applied to humans, the explosive growth of society due to oil, until the growth depletes the very things we rely on.

yeast in a bottle mate.

active yeast in a bottle

Now Steve, if you cut the feed - isn't the problem that you don't have anymore shit...

Industrial civilization based upon fossil fuels probably is a pyramid scheme.

I think there is a lot of mistrust of corporations and mass media. For good reason. Guess I should add politicians as well. This is an extremely complex issue. I do believe that nobody really knows how much oil is left. People thought the earth was flat for along time, or so they say. People think when the world runs out of oil, thats it with life as we know it. I disagree.

Now if we run out of oil in a matter of days or a couple of years we are screwed. Alternative energy technologies are available but not really developed.

I live in Mississippi, I lived thru Hurricane Katrina destruction. I must say that I was amazed at the rapid social breakdown that occured when people couldn't get gas and food. People panicked. We were on the verge of total chaos. People were fighting in gas lines. It was unbelievable. Fortunately it didn't last more than a week in my town.

The crime rate (stealing and robbery) shot through the roof for about a month. Mad Max would fit right in. Charlie Little you are right.

And there was not really a shortage of fuel, just a perception of shortage due to the interrupted distribution lines.

So what is the answer. God only knows,and I mean that!

I do know we have hydro electricity, nuclear power, wind power, solar power, hydrogen fuel cells, geothermal heating and cooling, and lots of others I have not heard about. Most of the above have room for developing safety and efficiency issues.

There are lots of really smart people out there, genuinely concerned about this sort of thing (here too, actually).

But just think if everyone had a solar powered aquaponic system.

Lets think outside the box so to speak.

this "hundredth monkey" biz anything like 1000 monkeys typing on 1000 typewriters? or are you talking the 100th episode of monkey?