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I don't think we will be snorting or eating the stuff VB. Once dissolved it is only K+ and CO3- ions don't forget.

I have read however that depending on the source there can be the likelyhood of certain impurities that could cause a problem. I think 99.995% should be good enough...


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Or wine making places???


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Sounds good Rupe. I'll check out the potash at the supermarket on the weekend and confirm that it is the pottasium carbonate type.


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Looks like potassium sorbate may be another option. Is quite acidic, but if balanced with an alkaline potassium source also, could work well. Is also a preservative, so could be good to use in fish food production ;-)


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I get potassium bicarb mail order from wine hobby suppliers. I wanted food-grade quality to avoid strange impurities. I pay about US$5/lb plus shipping, although I've seen it for more, of course. I use about 10 teaspoons a week, although I started at twice that amount initially, to overcome the total lack of buffering in the system. The system has 150gal (570liters) of beds and 150gal (570 liters) of fishtank, with fishload at about 2.5kg/100liters. I think if I worked in more shell, I could reduce dependence on the potassium bicarb, but then again, it's a nice source of potassium.

I was aware it could be used against mildew, but haven't had the need yet.

Glad to have made folks think...quite a spirited discussion got started while I slept!


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I'm still leaning toward Potassium Bicarbonate due to it's approved (and seemingly proven) organic nature.....

Found this excerpt.... obviously a little old..... or regardless it is certified organic in Australia anyway....

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Use of potassium bicarbonate as a fungicide in organic farming

This document discusses whether potassium bicarbonate could be allowed for use as a fungicide in organic crops. The argumentation follows the criteria proposed by the ORGANIC INPUTS EVALUATION project.

Use and necessity: potassium bicarbonate can be used as a contact fungicide in a variety of crops, e.g. grapevine, pome and stone fruit, berries and soft fruit, vegetables and cereals. In Europe, efficacy trials are still underway at present. It is applied with standard spray equipment at a rate of 2 to 8 kg/ha, with a maximum of 8 applications per year. It mainly inhibits fungus mycelium development. Its mode of action is linked with osmotic pressure, pH and specific bicarbonate/carbonate ion effects. In some crops, potassium bicarbonate has the potential to replace copper or sulfur fungicides.


Origin: Potassium bicarbonate is made industrially from carbon dioxide (CO2) gas and potassium hydroxide (KOH).


Environment: Potassium bicarbonate is naturally present in humans, animals, plants and virtually all living organisms. Under environmental conditions, potassium bicarbonate dissociates completely to potassium and bicarbonate ions and it is impossible to differentiate between ions naturally present and those of external origin. Bicarbonate is present in soil pore waters as a result of carbon dioxide liberated from the respiration of soil organism. Potassium (K) is an essential plant and microbial nutrient that has a natural cycle in soil of uptake and utilisation by plants and microbes, followed by release resulting from the decomposition of rotting organisms. Potassium input resulting from use as a fungicide is considerably smaller than the crops' potassium needs. Further, potassium bicarbonate has an extremely low toxicity to mammals and is not hazardous to the environment.


Human health: Because of its extremely low toxicity, potassium bicarbonate presents no health risks to operators and bystanders, and its residues present no risks to consumers. It is a recognized food additive (E 501).


Public perception: Potassium bicarbonate has been used for decades in medicine and everyday products (as a food ingredient and as a leavening agent in baking). Thus, it is perceived as a safe substance by consumers. In the farming community, the partial replacement of copper fungicides by potassium bicarbonate will be perceived favourably.


Consistency with organic farming traditions: Baking powder (sodium bicarbonate) has been used by organic farmers for decades, and is still used as plant strengthener in Germany. Potassium bicarbonate is allowed for use in organic farming in the USA, and also by the IFOAM standards.


Summary and Conclusions
Potassium bicarbonate occurrs in nature, is an effective fungicide, and is safe for humans and the environment. As a fungicide, it has the potential to replace copper and sulphur in some crops. However, for commercial use it has to be synthetisized. In conclusion, its advantages clearly outweigh the disadvantage of synthetic manufacture and it will be favourably perceived by consumers. We therefore recommend the use of potassium bicarbonate as a fungicide in organic farming.


Further information:
Project 'Organic Inputs Evaluation'

This document is based on a criteria matrix developed by the ORGANIC INPUTS EVALUATION project (see www.organicinputs.org) and is intended as a basis for discussion by standard setting institutions. The conclusions are based on the present knowledge and may be modified if new information becomes available


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Checked the Eco Garden site for "stockists" of the Eco Rose (Potassium Bicarbonate) ... and the two suppliers that came up as closest to my postcode.... were the local Bunnings and Magnet Mart stores :D


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Hi People,
don't know if this is going to add anything to the conversation, however I thought I'd let you know that I added Sulphate of potash to my system about a week ago because all my plants were showing signs of potasum deficiency ( they looked $hit). I tested the water a few days later, and the ph was still around 7.6.

I didn't add much as I wasn't sure as to the doseing quantities, about a heaped teaspoon in each of the four growbeds, plants have revived and are doing well and no fish deaths.

I was planning on doing this say every fortnight along with the iron additions. However I would feel more comfortable using potasium bi-carb.

I can probably get my hands on Potasium Bi-carb through home brew suppliers etc.. what sort of doseing levels would we be looking at?

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Janet uses 10 teaspoons a week in her system.


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I would slowly work your way up to a proper dose, Himzol. Potassium Bicarb can take your pH up to 8.2 at about a 1% solution. ( http://www.oxy.com/OXYCHEM/Products/pot ... tBiVs6.pdf )

I also assume that that's in solution with distilled water, so your results may vary. I would add a little each day and see how things go.


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Cool, thanks for that.


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