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PostPosted: Jan 27th, '08, 06:12 
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i've just bought my first canner its a water bath canner. ive been reading alot about canning now and the more i read the more it seems to scare me :P alot of talk of botchalizm. Im wondering if that is as much of a concern in ap grown plants as botchalizm microbs are found in soil?


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PostPosted: Jan 27th, '08, 06:15 
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Just my two cents... I've eaten home canned food my whole life and never had or known a family member to have botulism. I know it's possible but I think it is more related to our fear-based world. If you follow the instructions, you should be fine. I'd recommend picking up a Ball Blue Book for canning and use it. That's what I've used for years.

And, enjoy... :)


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PostPosted: Jan 27th, '08, 06:22 
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realy quick can you look at your blue ball book and let me know process time and head space for canning chicken broth ( i actualy want to cann some chicken boullion based chicken mushroom soup ( no actual chicken in it) with my water bath canner. please reply soon as possible :)


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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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botulism (bŏch`əlĭz'əm), acute poisoning resulting from ingestion of food containing toxins produced by the bacillus Clostridium botulinum. The bacterium can grow only in an anaerobic atmosphere, such as that found in canned foods. Consequently, botulism is almost always caused by preserved foods that have been improperly processed, usually a product canned imperfectly at home. The toxins are destroyed by boiling canned food for 30 min at 176&degF; (80&degC;). Once the toxins (which are impervious to destruction by the enzymes of the gastrointestinal tract) have entered the body, they interfere with the transmission of nerve impulses, causing disturbances in vision, speech, and swallowing, and ultimately paralysis of the respiratory muscles, leading to suffocation. Symptoms of the disease appear about 18 to 36 hr after ingestion of toxins. Botulinus antiserum is given to persons who have been exposed to contaminated food before they develop symptoms of the disease and is given to diagnosed cases of the disease as soon as possible. Developments in early detection have reduced the mortality rate from 65% to 10%.


so... if you get the food up to 176F, before you can it, and maybe when you prepare the food, you shouldn't have an issue.
Also be aware of the chance, and be one of the 90% who survive :-)

although a FAQ I found says:
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Re-heating food will make it safe to eat — FALSE
While heat will kill most bacteria and viruses present in food, some bacteria can form poisons that are not destroyed by heating. The formation of these poisons may occur if the food has been kept out of the fridge too long and/or it has been allowed to cool slowly.

So perhaps the boiling after wont help, as botulism is a toxin created by the bacteria I believe?


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everything i read said if you boil the food for 10 minutes after you open the jar it will break up the toxin to different separate compounds wich are dijestable


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oh, that's good then. Most canned food is cooked before serving, (excepting fruits or beetroot) so I doubt you'll ever have a problem.


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Water bath canning is only appropriate for acidic food: pickles, tomato or fruit products only. AP will make no difference in the suitability for water bath vs pressure canner. DO NOT mess with any other foods for water bath. Get a pressure canner if you want to do chicken broth, meats, or un-pickled vegetables.

Like Healingdeva says, get a Blue Ball book (or other qualified instructions), and follow them. CAREFULLY!!

I've eaten and made home-canned foods all my life. Mom had me cold-packing jars before I could form sentences. I have tomatoes, sauce, apple sauce, peaches and various jams in the basement right now. But I don't mess around with botulism. It's a little too fatal, thanks.


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well atleast my water bath canner was only 10 dollars on sale lol not total waste of an investment... now to save up for an all american canner lol...


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I second the pressure canner thoughts. Mine is on the way in the post right now.
Waterbath is still good for lots of things, things like tomatoes etc as long as you follow the recipes.
Mmmm sweet mustard pickles from AP zuchinni and cauliflower - can't go wrong there....


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