Bedini Motor and backup power

Eleven11

DATE : OCTOBER 13, 2000

BATTERY TEST SEQUENCE:

One lead acid gel-cell (12 volts, 450 milliamps) is being utilized as the primary source fully charged at 12.5 volts

Three (3) lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volt, 450 milliamps) strapped in parallel are being used as the charge destination. The batteries are discharged to 10 volts for the test purposes.

Test #1 starts at 10:45 AM utilizing primary battery fully charged at 12.5 volts charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 11:20 AM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #2.

Test #2 starts at 11:25 AM utilizing primary battery measured at 11.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 12:50 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #3.

Test #3 starts at 1:00 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 10.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 1:40 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #4.

Test #4 starts at 2:05 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 9.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 13 volts at 2:40 PM. The primary battery is now discharged to 9 volts under working load and unable to further run the
Bedini motor generator.
TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

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helomech

So who is going to take the 50k dollar bet. If I had a working model I would take him up on it. I am calling BS.

Privatteer

Now we are back to claiming the system can take a 5Ah battery and "create" the power to charge approximately 10Ah worth while also spinning a motor.
I stand by my original statement that if any the Bedeni claims were true we would have dozens of scaled up units feeding into the grid built during the last 20+ years.

Eleven11

He can send the $50K to this guy

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helomech wrote:

So who is going to take the 50k dollar bet. If I had a working model I would take him up on it. I am calling BS.

werdna

Were you measuring current flow as well?
Or just voltage?

Eleven11

Quote:

What Charges The Batteries --- John

From: John34 (John Bedini)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:38:23

The Question was asked on the SG group. My answer:

Yes I have done this experiment, buy doing this you invoke the 'lamellar' currents" rule, this is from Kron not me. This means that you break up the currents into branches. Each 'lamellar' scalar current" is additive to equal the sum of the total. The Heaviside current surrounds the wire, this is almost like reactive power, the digital meter has a very hard time reading this. The system is a "Unity System", what you put in you get out, but you are loosing a lot with clip leads and bad wiring. If you want to see what is charging your batteries you need a scope. The output wire positive is run through the center of a solenoid coil of many turns this will couple at 90 degrees with the Heaviside current. What you will see is a ringing wave that is charging the battery, it is not electricity in a true form it is pieces of electricity.
What is this current? It is made up of mostly scalars this couples in the batteries when it meets the next scalar that it can couple with, this is what charges your batteries. You wanted to know so here it is. The next part of the system is more mysterious, I will save this for a later time. I did show Susan today what this wave looks like.The idea here is to charge the secondary batteries as fast as possible from one primary battery. The faster the charge, the more power you can use. This means speed with the motor/energizer. The energizer is a open loop system so it can expand this type of wave. You must have this type of wave with a Radiant type systems, just look at a Tesla Coil output you will see it, in many ringing waves. It takes Quaternion math to see this, along with the magnetic fields of the Motor/energizer.

John Bedini

Privatteer wrote:

Now we are back to claiming the system can take a 5Ah battery and "create" the power to charge approximately 10Ah worth while also spinning a motor.
I stand by my original statement that if any the Bedeni claims were true we would have dozens of scaled up units feeding into the grid built during the last 20+ years.

Eleven11

My first test was to charge an old car battery that would not start the car after sitting a few hours. I put the battery on the Bedini motor overnight and tried it in the morning and the car started ok. However, after sitting a few hours, it wouldn't start the car again.

So it is not just a surface voltage on the charged battery... the charged batteries can deliver current as well.

werdna wrote:

Were you measuring current flow as well?
Or just voltage?

werdna

Sorry, that wasnt what I was asking.

In your test where it charged 9 batteries, were you testing current as well, or just voltage?

Eleven11

It wasn't my test.

Everyone in the SG Group was testing power which includes current. The batteries were "drained" as stated in the test. That means that current was passed. Current flows over time which is stated in the test.

werdna wrote:

Sorry, that wasnt what I was asking.

In your test where it charged 9 batteries, were you testing current as well, or just voltage?

earthbound

I think the subject gets a bit murky there.. So they can make really good battery chargers? Maybe, don't know, perhaps they make the best battery chargers in the world.. But as most people have have already said, if there was a net gain in power, that this machine produced power for nothing, then people would have already made millions out of it. All the youtube videos in the world doesn't prove something actually works..

SuperVeg

What werdna is trying to get at is that you need to test total power

Thank you for posting those results, however just using voltage to determine the battery "level" is not accurate in any way.
Voltage and current need to be plotted against each other, that way it can be shown exactly how much power is drained from the first battery, and how much power goes into each of the charging batteries.
Without doing the test with all the data, you will never convince anyone.
HOWEVER if you did do the tests properly, with honest and detailed videos etc of the apparatus, you probably will get the genuine interest of other people.

Scientific principles are very important, thats why we have rockets and iphones.

Please don't get frustrated, but there are people on this forum with a very good understanding of electronics, motors and power conversion so you will need to show results of testing that allows these people to immediately evaluate any legitimacy of your claims.

werdna

Exactly.
I had an example I used once with someone in a similar instance.

I said I had designed self generating water. I poured one bucket full of water into a container, my friend filled up his bucket with the water in the container and poured it out. Every time I added a bucket, my friend removed one, we were working in unity.
After a while, the container over flowed, so obviously I had made an over unity device and was generating free water.
What was I not testing? Well, my bucket held 20L, my friends held 9L.

This could be the same instance. The voltage on the batteries may have increased to 14v, but they may have discharged down to 10v after only 100mA was drawn out of them.
The current discharge needed to be measured to ensure that the power output of the batteries was even.
The reason I am dubious is that an over unity device has never been independently verified. If someone made one, they should take it to a university or somewhere independent, openly showed them the entire system, and let them run their own tests. Once it is verified, no one can argue. The second someone mentions they are good friends with Mr Bedini, all credibility with their tests is thrown out the window, as who wants to announce to the world that their friends claims are false?

I have never built a device, however I do know electronic theory, and I can't see how it would work. Especially when claims are added such as adding blades to the device will make a free fan, as the increased wind resistance will increase draw on the motor, increasing current draw.

earthbound

This subject has a resurgence here about every 6 months or do..

Privatteer

werdna wrote:

The voltage on the batteries may have increased to 14v, but they may have discharged down to 10v after only 100mA was drawn out of them.
The current discharge needed to be measured to ensure that the power output of the batteries was even.

Agreed, until voltage = 14.4 and current almost zero they are not charged. Voltage is only one side of the equation. Amp hours must be measured for a true test.
Nealy every battery charger on the market raises voltage to 14.4v and then maintains it at that level for several hours to achieve a charge.

Eleven1 wrote:

My first test was to charge an old car battery that would not start the car after sitting a few hours. I put the battery on the Bedini motor overnight and tried it in the morning and the car started ok. However, after sitting a few hours, it wouldn't start the car again.

So? I can connect an old car battery to a standard dc power supply and get the same results.
I'm not sure what the gibberish "What Charges The Batteries --- John" was supposed to support/mean. Your claiming its possible to charge 3 batteries from one, not once but 3 times. Put a dc power supply on the input battery to maintain/replace it and you have a energy creation device capable of feeding a inverter.

Eleven11

The purpose of my reply was to show that there wasn't just a surface voltage charge.

I'm not making any claims or selling anything. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions. I'm just sharing my experiences and what I've read on the subject.

The purpose of the thread was to see if anyone is using a Bedini energizer in their back up power system or knows of anyone who is... and to see what their experience has been.

Quote:

So? I can connect an old car battery to a standard dc power supply and get the same results.
I'm not sure what the gibberish "What Charges The Batteries --- John" was supposed to support/mean. Your claiming its possible to charge 3 batteries from one, not once but 3 times. Put a dc power supply on the input battery to maintain/replace it and you have a energy creation device capable of feeding a inverter.

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