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Author:	Simo [ Mar 14th, '10, 18:21 ]
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Australia's newest political party: http://candobetter.org/node/1850 I for one support every policy they are proposing, I believe that just about every major problem we as humans face today can trace its cause back to the over population of the the planet. My main concern is the environmental impact our over population causes and I am annoyed that "The Greens" have ignored it up untill this point: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/po ... 5840547184 We have become a plague. If you agree with what they have to say you can sign up as a party member: http://candobetter.org/files/Stable%20P ... 20form.pdf If you don't then I am sure there will be a good debate

Author:	coopa [ Mar 14th, '10, 19:00 ]
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I thought Pauline had moved to UK

Author:	ajajaj [ Mar 14th, '10, 19:05 ]
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<RANT> and who is gonna sign up first for being a victim of the death squads? With this kind of power (the power to decide who can/cant procreate) comes great responsibility, and everyone on earth to this day has proven that they cannot handle this kind of power. noagendashow.com discusses this in great length, and is a great listen, whatever your political leanings. I am not opposed to reducing migration intake, however, stopping people from having kids? where are we? china? That is what this Copenhagen treaty was all about, and believe you me, it may not have been signed yet, but all the gubments are going that way, and we as a nation are going to be stuck bowing to a world wide government that has not been elected, (don't believe me? the EU now has an UNELECTED President, who has the power to fine politicians in the EU when they speak out against them) Some of the people involved in this copenhagen treaty have been quoted as wanting to reduce world population down to 200Million, from where? 6Billion? Now while I understand the logic of this, (it sure would reduce strain on the poor earth), how are they going to do this? Lets start with the poor, they have no money to buy food any way... hey lets have a war!!! - My friend mr Putin, I'll send 100Million into russia, we will under fund their weapons, you do the same, and we will have gotten rid of 200M. Hey Mr China, lets do the same there, we can get rid of 1Billion if we all try to invade you.... And we will sit here as friends and watch all of our people kill each other in the name of ideology, and when it is all over, we will have less people, and more money for us, the un-elected new world order government. Dont think it will happen? It IS happening and we just dont know it yet. </rant> Sorry - just my 2c. feel free to disagree - feel free to agree. Aj

Author:	ivansng [ Mar 14th, '10, 19:29 ]
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With the amount of violent crimes on the rise and blatant disregard of the law, bringing back capital punishment might help the population issue...

Author:	DéjàVoodoo [ Mar 14th, '10, 22:31 ]
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ooo - wow...pull out the swastikas as it is starting to sound like natzi germany in here.

Author:	Simo [ Mar 15th, '10, 06:39 ]
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Quote: I thought Pauline had moved to UK Not sure I understand coopa, Pauline and One Nation were Xenophobic racist red necks who wanted Australia to return to the White Australia days of immigration. Population control through reduced immigration for sustainability and to reduce our impact on the environment is a very different thing. If you think there is a racist agenda they why would they propose to maintain humanitarian immigration while redcuing skilled migration? This is the not a policy that would be supported by One Nation. Quote: I am not opposed to reducing migration intake, however, stopping people from having kids? where are we? china? I must have missed this bit ajajaj, I didn't think they were proposing any thing of the sort and this would violate our human rights.... Nope, just re-read the policy statements, could not see any mention of controling breeding, just the removal of the baby bonus. Oh well good rant anyway Quote: ooo - wow...pull out the swastikas as it is starting to sound like natzi germany in here. Not sure I get this, I can't see any elements of fascism in the policiy statements "Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control." None of the policies place any controls or restrictions on any citizen, care to qualify that statement DejaVodoo?

Author:	ajajaj [ Mar 15th, '10, 07:00 ]
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Simo, this is just the gateway into these sorts of things.. first it starts with reducing migration, then we say, "hrm, it would be cheaper to let the old/terminally ill to just die instead of wasting all of these resources on them", and then "Hey, I have an idea, lets put stuff in the water to reduce the amount of people that can get pregnant" Thin end of the wedge my friend.... thin end of the wedge... We will do all of this for the "Greater Good" I highly recommend a fiction book called "Atlas Shrugged" it is long, but makes an interesting commentary (the book is about 50 years old) on capitalism and communism, based on the author having lived in communist Russia and Capitalist America. The parallels drawn, are just what is happening today in places like the USA and AU what is interesting? population control even gets a mention....

Author:	ajajaj [ Mar 15th, '10, 07:03 ]
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Oh and racism? I am am not a racist. I hate EVERYONE EQUALLY :-)

Author:	Simo [ Mar 15th, '10, 07:17 ]
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Good point, drastic times call for drastic measures though. I think I am a survivalist nut just like you are a conspiracy nut

Author:	King Erik the 14th [ Mar 15th, '10, 07:29 ]
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So you dont think they should be paying us to have babies anymore? "One for mum, one for dad, and one for the country" - Uncle Kevin07 It's a bit of a shame that in places like Adelaide (actually most of Australia) we dont have enough water for the people we already have, but the governments keep writing about "population goals" and building de-sal plants.

Author:	Simo [ Mar 15th, '10, 07:54 ]
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The Gov push population growth because it is good for the economy and makes them look good, but it is at the expence of the environment. The profits from population growth go to the rich while the cost of the environmental impact is burdened on the poor. http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matt ... 5840687578

Author:	ajajaj [ Mar 15th, '10, 08:09 ]
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Conspiracy nut? I resemble that remark!!!!! lol nah, I understand the reasoning, and for that reason do not want migration to .au, but I also do not want to be drawn into a world government who will dictate what I can do on my little farm when I didnt get to vote for the jerkoff who is dictating to me.,.

Author:	countryboy [ Mar 15th, '10, 08:11 ]
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Agreed with much of what ajajaj wrote... Frankly, I do not think the problem is overpopulation. The problem is resource management... Truth be told, the entire population of the planet can fit in a fairly small area if everyone stood as close as they can. Jacksonville County Florida will hold them all!! Just demonstrates how few people are on the planet. The problem, as I previously stated, is resource management. Not to go into a major tirade/soap box stand, but we, APers, are a small part of the solution. We are learning to maximize a few resources in a small footprint for useful gain. Besides food, energy is an area that many big gains are being made by small time guys like us... see sites like Green Power Science for open source info in the energy field. History proves that as poor nations move from third world status to first world status, their rate of procreation drops dramatically... Maybe even dangerously so. (It takes 2.2 children per family just to maintain the population. Europe is now in the 1.5 average with major population growth in the Muslim communities... though that borders on a different discussion...) I'll quit the topic before I get into trouble, but the major issue as I see it is resource management and open source out of the box thinking just like what we see on this site everyday! We are part of the solution!! Spread the AP word. CB

Author:	ajajaj [ Mar 15th, '10, 08:15 ]
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Amen Brother....

Author:	RupertofOZ [ Mar 15th, '10, 09:08 ]
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countryboy wrote: History proves that as poor nations move from third world status to first world status, their rate of procreation drops dramatically... No doubt about that Countryboy... Quote: Maybe even dangerously so. (It takes 2.2 children per family just to maintain the population. That might be true.... but disguises a fundamental underlying problem... Such birthrates... WILL NOT sustain an aging population of baby boomers (typically 4 children/family)... in terms of health care... OR the taxation base.... Hence the call for population growth here in OZ ... and other countries.... (There's also economic market reasons to grow Australia's population...) Quote: Europe is now in the 1.5 average with major population growth in the Muslim communities... though that borders on a different discussion...) Whooa... that comment worries me... with perhaps underlying predjudice.... and probably no real basis in fact... Quote: Frankly, I do not think the problem is overpopulation. The problem is resource management... A complete oxymoron... if ever there was one... Increased population... and exponential growth in living standards and consumerism... equals an exponential demand on resources.... many of which are approaching, or past "peak"...

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