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Swat Team conducts food raid in rural Ohio

On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized. At some point, the “bad cop” SWAT team was relieved by another team, a “good cop” team that tried to befriend the family. The Stowers family has run a very large, well-known food cooperative called Manna Storehouse on the western side of the greater Cleveland area for many years.

There were agents from the Department of Agriculture present, one of them identified as Bill Lesho. The search warrant is reportedly suspicious-looking. Agents began rifling through all of the family’s possessions, a task that lasted hours and resulted in a complete upheaval of every private area in the home. Many items were taken that were not listed on the search warrant. The family was not permitted a phone call, and they were not told what crime they were being charged with. They were not read their rights. Over ten thousand dollars worth of food was taken, including the family’s personal stock of food for the coming year. All of their computers, and all of their cell phones were taken, as well as phone and contact records. The food cooperative was virtually shut down. There was no rational explanation, nor justification, for this extreme violation of Constitutional rights.

Presumably Manna Storehouse might eventually be charged with running a retail establishment without a license. Why then the Gestapo-type interrogation for a 3rd degree misdemeanor charge? This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation’s private food supply.

This same type of abusive search and seizure was reported by those innocents who fell victim to oppressive federal drug laws passed in the 1990s. The present circumstance raises the obvious question: is there some rabid new interpretation of an existing drug law that considers food a controlled substance worthy of a nasty SWAT operation? Or worse, is there a previously unrecognized provision(s) pertaining to food in the Homeland Security measures? Some have suggested that it was merely an out-of-control, hot-to-trot ODA agent, and, if so, this would be a best-case scenario. Anything else might spell the beginning of the end for the freedom to eat unregulated and unmonitored food.

One blogger familiar with the Ohio situation has reported that:

Interestingly, I believe they [Manna Storehouse] said a month or so ago, an undercover ODA official came to their little store and claimed to have a sick father wanting to join the co-op. Both the owner and her daughter-in-law had a horrible feeling about the man, and decided not to allow him into the co-op and notified him by certified mail. He came back to the co-op demanding to be part of it. They refused and gave him names of other businesses and health food stores closer to his home. Not coincidentally, this man was there yesterday as part of the raid.”

The same blog also noted that the Ohio Department of Agriculture has been chastised by the courts in several previous instances for its aggression, including trying to entrap an Amish man in a raw milk “sale,” which backfired when it became known that the Amish believe in a literal interpretation of “give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away” (Matthew 5:42)

The issue appears to be the discovery of a bit of non-institutional beef in an Oberlin College food service freezer a year ago that was tracked down by a county sanitation official to Manna Storehouse. Oberlin College’s student food coop is widely known for its strident ideological stance about eating organic foods. It seems that the Oberlin student food cooperative had joined the Manna Storehouse food cooperative in order to buy organic foods in bulk from the national organic food distributor United, which services buying clubs across the nation. The sanitation official, James Boddy, evidently contacted the Ohio Department of Agriculture. After the first contact by state ODA officials, Manna Storehouse reportedly wrote them a letter requesting assistance and guidelines for complying with the law. This letter was never answered. Rather, the ODA agent tried several times to infiltrate the coop, as described above. When his attempts failed, the SWAT team showed up!

Food cooperatives and buying clubs have been an active part of the American landscape for over a generation. In the 1970s, with the rise of the organic food industry (a direct outgrowth of the hippie back-to-nature movement) food coops started up all over the country. These were groups of people who freely associated for the purpose of combining their buying power so that they could order organic food items in bulk and case lots. Anyone who was part of these coops in the early era will remember the messy breakdown of 35 pounds of peanut butter and 5 gallon drums of honey!

These buying clubs have persisted and flourished over the years due to their ability to purchase high quality organic foods at reduced prices in bulk quantities. Most cooperatives have participated greatly in the local agrarian economies, supporting neighborhood organic farmers with purchases of produce, eggs, chickens, etc. The groups also purchase food from a number of different local, regional and national distributors, many of them family-based businesses who truck the food themselves. Some of these food cooperatives have become large enough to set up mini-storefront operations where members can drop in and purchase items leftover from case lot sales. Manna Storehouse had established itself in such a manner, using a small enclosed breezeway attached to their home. It was a folksy place with old wooden floors where coop members stopped by to chat and snack on bags of organic corn chips.

The state of Ohio boasts the second largest Amish population in the country. Many of the Amish live on acreages where they raise their own food, not unlike Manna Storehouse, and sell off the extras to neighbors and church members. There is a sense of foreboding that this state crackdown on a longstanding, reputable food cooperative operation could adversely impact the peaceful agrarian way of life not only for the Amish, but homeschoolers and those families living off the land on rural acreages. It raises the disturbing possibility that it could become a crime to raise your own food, buy eggs from the farmer down the road, or butcher your own chickens for family and friends – bustling activities that routinely take place in backwater America.

The freedom to purchase food directly form the source is increasingly under attack. For those who have food allergies and chemical intolerances, or who are on special medical diets, this is becoming a serious health issue. Will Americans retain the right to purchase food that is uncontaminated by pesticides, herbicides, allergens, additives, dyes, preservatives, MSG, GMOs, radiation, etc.? The melamine scare from China underscores the increasingly inferior and suspect quality of modern processed institutional foods. One blog, commenting on the bizarre and troubling Manna Storehouse situation, observed that:

“No one is saying exactly why. At the same time the FDA says it is safe to eat the 40% of tainted beef found in Costco's and Sam's all over the nation. These farm raids are very common now. Every farmer needs to fully equipped [sic] for the possibility of it happening to them. The Farmer To Consumer Legal Defense Fund was created just for this purpose. The USDA just released their plans to put a law into action that will put all small farmers out of business. Animals for the sale of meat or milk will only be allowed in commercial farms, even the organic ones.” December 3, 2008 7:09 PM

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"The police paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army Rangers and Navy SEALs. State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the military as a model for their behavior and outlook.... The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an 'enemy' but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. Confusing the police function with the military function can lead to dangerous and unintended consequences...." (Diane Cecilia Weber, Cato Institute, "Warrior Cops: The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism in Police Departments")

"Over the past 20 years Congress has encouraged the U.S. military to supply intelligence, equipment, and training to civilian police. That encouragement has spawned a culture of paramilitarism in American law enforcement. The 1980s and 1990s have seen marked changes in the number of state and local paramilitary units, in their mission and deployment, and in their tactical armament." --Cato Institute

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." --Barack Obama, "Obama's Civilian National Security Force"

"At the World Food Programme we have recognized what a valuable tool food aid can be in changing behaviour. In so many poorer countries food is money, food is power....." --Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the World Food Program, "The UN Plan for Food and Land"


Food and fuel......... the valuables of tomorrow.

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/swat-team.htm


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PostPosted: Dec 8th, '08, 21:50 
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Ive said it before and I'll say it again :
That country is doomed ( no matter what magic the new messiah can work )

and Ive got good friends that live in Ohio ( they keep asking me what land prices are like over here too ... )


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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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The raids have happen in Oz too... :wink:
I did search but couldn't find too much :roll:
It was along time ago..
for those in Oz it was in the Wheat belt of west ozzie.
and the Rajneshees (Bhagwan and Ma Sheila from memory)
AKA orange people...
Bhagwan had 'passed on' and Ma Sheila decided to create another site...
In the Karri Valley :colors: but first were at ???
Gone looking for the place..BRB


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I don't think they are worse than anywhere else in general terms.... we just see what is going on there more easily because so much open discussion in the States. As huge as the problems seem there now they could be called minor when compared to what millions today are facing in terms of starvation and AIDS. :roll: Most in the USA still have options.... greatly reduced... but not hopeless.

I have many friends there too. One guy who works for the justice department says too many freedoms have been given up in the name of security. I don't believe anywhere in the "free world" it is truly free anymore.

At least there is still a sense of outrage there.

Here in SA that sense of outrage is still alive and well. It seems to be the private sector bringing in more governance than the ruling party. One example that comes easily to mind is "Carte Blanche: a very popular TV magazine programme on a Sunday night that is not afraid to expose corruption and deceit. It is amazing how much gets cleaned up once they have focussed their camera on a problem. Post Office corruption was busted. Police corruption is being busted. Poor hospital management is spotlighted. They are now raising funds to help hospitals in dire need of equipment. Also young orphan children who are fending for themselves. The public has such confidence in them that their original goal of ZAR 20,000,000 was reached in only weeks. 55.5 million has been raised since August for charity. Corporate SA came to the party marvellously and with surprisingly big amounts. There is full confidence that the funds will go to where they are intended to go. The politicians want to fatten their pockets first.... and last .... and... and.. :D And then when the next lot get into power it starts all over again. :drunken:

I think it important to face facts. You can only change what you acknowledge. When bad news that is ignored it is foolhardy. A favourite quote of mine: “An ostrich with its head in the sand is just as blind to opportunity as to disaster” :D Don't know who said it. Be nice if someone could tell me.


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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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Well ya know people, they don't get to have it both ways.
You can't expect the government to protect you from food borne illness yet not regulate food production and sales.

I suppose this is why I try to remove myself from the whole process as much as I can and grow as much of my own food as possible. I am rather sick of how so many people now days feel that they are entitled to everything but not responsible for anything. I do feel for those people in developments with restrictions saying they may not have a garden in their back yard but I expect that if they really want to grow some food, they can still do it even if they have to just pretend the veggies are ornamental landscaping. Heck, I think sunflowers and zucchini make a wonderful boarder planting.

Anyway back to the point. We have only read a small portion of one side of this story, what do we really know about this incident? I don't think I have enough info to get worked up over what could have nothing to do with food.


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Control of our food supply is just gearing up- most of these new regulations will put the small farmer out of business. I also love the fact that most of our meat is irradiated to kill E-coli bacteria, but you're still eating shit. Now they have started on lettuce and spinach and plan to expand that program as well.

National Animal Identification System is a huge undertaking that is already starting- it's suppose to be voluntary but several states have already made it mandatory or are sneaking farms on the list, without owner's consent. It involves anyone who owns any livestock, including horses, to tag their animals, register their farms and report any movement of their animals. This is so bad that the Amish people are considering moving en-masse to South America because their religion forbids marking their animals.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul326.html

Or how about the new rules for organic food?
http://www.cornucopia.org/usda-proposed ... tock-rule/


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I am rather sick of how so many people now days feel that they are entitled to everything but not responsible for anything


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You can not have freedom and security both, but damn the people who pervert the law... Without a rule of law, and I mean the real law which is bound by limits and restrictions and recourse, anyone not on top of "the game" becomes a slave without choice.

There need to be a group here that investigates and reports on issues like this then sues the living $#!T out of any individual in government who even looks sideways instead of letting them have impunity, which they do NOT have when they step outside their office or bounds of the law.

But, the number one problem in this county is that every one believes that congress has the power to pass any law, and this is simply not true at all... But no one cares. When was the last time a jury rendered a just verdict according to their true mandate and voided a bad law? No they sit there and obey the judge. If you ask legal questions they will dismiss you or call another jury. If everyone who served on juries would act, only, according to the Constitution and contract then things would change fast! But I doubt that many people would risk a few days in jail for justice sake, so when its their turn, they too will be alone and abused. No, the real leaders, the real heroes are extent extinct as the dinosaur. The uniforms who take peoples money and freedoms at gun point, under color of law(for things that did not harm person or property), is NO hero; even though he risks his life to do so.


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I believe the core issue is individual rights! Rights that are supposed to be protected by the constitution but our constitution has turned from a document whose meanings was defined directly from the words within to becoming a living document that needs to be interpeted to a document not capable of protecting us from "Modern terrorism" :evil: What a bunch of BS :!: Our rights are now being subverted at every corner! The Patriot act was the biggest attack on individual rights of privacy ever. There is a reason the First Amendment was First and the Second ammendment backed it up :evil: If you watched what happened to the tax protesters of Ruby ridge where a 14 yr old boy was shot because he was going to alert the family of an impending FBI Raid. The FBI were questioned before congress but would not rat out who gave the shoot to kill order so no one was really punished! In waco where military equipment, advisors and support was given to raid the Davidian Compound where a couple dozen children were burned alive. Use of the military in any form against us citizens is unconstitutional. In the congressional hearings they said the military didn't qualify because the machine guns weren't mounted (like in a gunship) and used tear gas that was/is banned by international law. The justification was poligimy and child abuse. The could have picked up David Korash excuse my spelling in town the day before picking up his mail. The Texas Rangers tried him in court twice before on gun charges and David Korash serving as his own attorney was aquitted both times. He was provoked into the showdown by the texas Rangers and the ATF. Please don't think me to think him innocent but it was handled wrong and unconstitutionally. The end doesn't justify the means. All this did was breed government distrust and guess who was in waco when all this happened... Timothy McVeigh. The Building in Oklahoma was where the ATF agent's... Children were kept in a daycare. Now it became a double tragity! Yes they are connected! When Katrina struck Martial law was declared in New Orleans and this happend there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26 ... re=related
When the mormans started to scare to local govenment of a town just outside Eldorado Texas, Texas officials swooped in and took custady of over 400 morman children from all the families in the compound with only an anonymous phone call. Who turned out to be a known morman hater. Again they used the kids excuse to gain sympathy for their cause. The Texas officials stretched the diffenition of family unit to encompass the entire compound. As it turned out the number of underage pregnant teens was much less than in any...ANY American public school. They were afraid that if the mormans would registar to vote they could take over some seats in the local govenment. That was the worst travisty of all.
No one gets excited about the loss of individual rights unless it happens to them directly. :cry:


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PostPosted: Dec 9th, '08, 08:50 
BRB... I agree... democracy has been under threat for many years, no more so than in the last couple of decades...

People need to defend their democratic rights... and sometimes the only way to do so ... is by numbers on the street...

We need a return to the days of mass demonstrations... people power does work, indeed it is the ONLY way that ANY meaningful change has ever occurred throughout history... mass movements...

Of course, those with vested interests, warped minds and ideologies... will resist... violently if required... to the point of both overt and covert murder...

And that's the big stick they always beat us with... the threat of armed force and/or incarceration...


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Well ya know people, they don't get to have it both ways.
You can't expect the government to protect you from food borne illness yet not regulate food production and sales.

I suppose this is why I try to remove myself from the whole process as much as I can and grow as much of my own food as possible. I am rather sick of how so many people now days feel that they are entitled to everything but not responsible for anything. I do feel for those people in developments with restrictions saying they may not have a garden in their back yard but I expect that if they really want to grow some food, they can still do it even if they have to just pretend the veggies are ornamental landscaping. Heck, I think sunflowers and zucchini make a wonderful boarder planting.

Anyway back to the point. We have only read a small portion of one side of this story, what do we really know about this incident? I don't think I have enough info to get worked up over what could have nothing to do with food.

Is a world-wide phenomenon TC. The world owes me....... why should I work for it.

Agreed that regulation should be in place to prevent food borne illness but in my extensive reading I have come to think that there is an unnecessary trerrorising of the American public for a more insidious agenda. A personal perspective. This is a huge and powerful consumer block and control is sought through unethical means. Fear is a powerful motivator. A lie told often enough will be believed. People are controlled simply by what they believe. How we are made.

Whether it is or isn't about food; it is definitely about freedoms being transgressed. Whatever is grown and stored needs to be protected, not violated. Often what happens in the States and left unchallenged starts inflitrating the world-psyche as acceptable in the "free world". You have a wonderful country TC, originally founded on the best principles... is worth the fight. Know we agree on that. America has blessed the world and it is sad to see what is happening.


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National Animal Identification System is a huge undertaking that is already starting- it's suppose to be voluntary but several states have already made it mandatory or are sneaking farms on the list, without owner's consent. It involves anyone who owns any livestock, including horses, to tag their animals, register their farms and report any movement of their animals. This is so bad that the Amish people are considering moving en-masse to South America because their religion forbids marking their animals.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul326.html
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I saw a number of people on another forum complaining that any vetinary service needed guarantees registration of the animal treated.


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You can not have freedom and security both, but damn the people who pervert the law... Without a rule of law, and I mean the real law which is bound by limits and restrictions and recourse, anyone not on top of "the game" becomes a slave without choice.

No one above the law... that is real law. Does it exist anywhere anymore?


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No one above the law... that is real law. Does it exist anywhere anymore?


I'm not sure if it ever really existed anywhere. However it is a good ideal to keep working for, which I think is the whole point.


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