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| Author: | timmy [ Dec 28th, '08, 16:09 ] |
| Post subject: | gardening myths |
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Ch ... ths_files/ written by a very smart lady with a PHD in horticulture. i'm a skeptic but there were a few in there that had even me suprised. |
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| Author: | Dufflight [ Dec 28th, '08, 18:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
Watch out for people that have PHD in there title. There are a lot of myths but how long did she work on each one. And horticulture degree. We used to burn through people with agricultural degrees on the farm. They could never understand how we ran the water up hill to irrigate a 450a paddock. 
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| Author: | timmy [ Dec 29th, '08, 05:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
a PHD is nothing like a degree. it means she's had to write a thesis and produce original work. it also looks like she's a prolific publisher of articles in scientific journals and she is an associate professor. i'd say she knows what she is talking about. |
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| Author: | RupertofOZ [ Dec 29th, '08, 07:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
Well actually Timmy... she lists references to other peoples works... in the latest 5 of her blogs... and occassionally "cites" other works.... She doesn't quote anything, or discuss the validity of anyone elses works.... Can't see that she has "published" any articles in scientific journals at all..... And without reading the referenced "papers" it is hard to say whether or not they actually back her claims in totality.... or whether they have been selectively "cherrypicked" to provide substantiation.... |
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| Author: | Dufflight [ Dec 29th, '08, 07:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
My cousin got her PHD studying one insect to the point where she can't do anything with her PHD because she has specialized in such a specific topic. But she does get to add those letters to her name. So the difference between her degree and her PHD was spending a lot of time and research on a single topic to write her thesis. Not trying to bash PHD's just pointing out you have to take them in relation to the topic. That site had a lot of different myths, how much work would be involved in checking each one. Or is it cut and paste to speed things up. Darn Rup beat me. |
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| Author: | RupertofOZ [ Dec 29th, '08, 07:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
And I'm a two fingered typist... jezz you must be slow Duff ..... 
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| Author: | Dufflight [ Dec 29th, '08, 10:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
It's hard to type and ignore customers at the same time.
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| Author: | RupertofOZ [ Dec 29th, '08, 10:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
Must be something wrong with your organisations training Duff.... most other businesses to seem to be able to do so without a problem....
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| Author: | creative1 [ Dec 29th, '08, 11:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
Phd doesn't mean squat. Akademiks... love to crap on about stuff. But like Rupe said, most, if not all has been cherry picked. Plagiarism is hard to detect if the words are jumbled up or you use the Synonym function and a whole book can be rewritten in the time it takes to read it without sounding or looking like it is plagiarised. How did you get on to her anyway? I didn't find anything, were we looking at something? My sister is a prof and she leaves it out of her name unless it is neccesary. (Murdoch)12 years for first thesis, now media and communications lecturer. Just means you can't be too careful about what you read! Better you do it first to see if it is true or not! IMHO only 
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| Author: | bundaberg kid [ Dec 29th, '08, 14:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
creative1 wrote: Phd doesn't mean squat. Akademiks... love to crap on about stuff. But like Rupe said, most, if not all has been cherry picked. Plagiarism is hard to detect if the words are jumbled up or you use the Synonym function and a whole book can be rewritten in the time it takes to read it without sounding or looking like it is plagiarised. How did you get on to her anyway? I didn't find anything, were we looking at something? My sister is a prof and she leaves it out of her name unless it is neccesary. (Murdoch)12 years for first thesis, now media and communications lecturer. Just means you can't be too careful about what you read! Better you do it first to see if it is true or not! IMHO only so she got the brains n you got the looks big guy? 
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| Author: | peter shaw [ Dec 29th, '08, 14:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
I should stay out of anything like this but I can't. She is an extension agent... not sure what they call those downunder... Do you have the same? her job is to be the connection/conduit from the research university to the public or professional growers. She is not hired to conduct research, just cut through the layers of sh*t that is produced. It really does help to have an advanced degree if you are going to read and evaluate research. I cant tell you all how many times I have heard "that study is flawed, blah blah, blah...." coming from someone with no degree, no statistical background, no experimental design experience ... just bias, just wanting it to be so, so it must be right or wrong. Side note, she is not very well respected by the folks she works with. I have old friends in that association, oops wonder if I have a degree...  well as someone way more famous than I said, I would not want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member... I think I am paraphrasing here, no quotes.  But there are some interesting myths, maybe we should Jamie and what's his name on the real Myth Busters to check them out? cheers peter |
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| Author: | creative1 [ Dec 29th, '08, 14:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
so she got the brains n you got the looks big guy? Not even
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| Author: | timmy [ Dec 29th, '08, 15:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
i googled for about 2 minutes and found a 1/2 dozen publications she's written which aren't associated with the master gardeners mag. a good chunk of them are on recommended reading lists. I realise it's sometimes hard to accept long held beliefs are wrong, but most of her explainations cut the mustard. |
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| Author: | Dufflight [ Dec 29th, '08, 16:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gardening myths |
Well for me if your not doing the research yourself then evaluating what other people have written is taking a lot for granted. When I started at the research station I cleared up a 3 year back log of insect samples. What data do you think they were publishing every year to keep there grants going if the collection of samples were 3 years old. Don't mind if they use there own research to prove something. If they are just taking others work for granted how can they truly argue a point, much less debunk it. |
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