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I don't know anything about this, but it sounds good. Unfortunately I can't attend myself. Here's the text I was given:

David Korten , the author of When Corporations Rule the World, and
more recently, The Great Turning - From Empire to Earth Community is
one of the planet's leading thinkers on building a sustainable global
future. (Check his website http://www.davidkorten.org). David will be
running a workshop for people interested in how concerned people and
community groups can work to bring about the fundamental change he
sees as essential. And its happening here in Adelaide on July 16.

There are only 30 places, and registration is FREE. So don't delay.

Details and how to register on the attached flier. The workshop is organised by
People's Health Movement Australia (PHM Oz), The Conservation Council of South
Australia and Flinders University.

steem,,,I'm NOT trying to be nasty,,,but,,," change the world and Adelaide " in the same sentence do NOT add up. I'm NOT attacking Adeliade,,but think about it,.....,,how many cities in the world with a bigger population??
I do note he limits tickets to 30!!!

perhaps he has a GREAT idea and needs to start small.

Nope, you're just trying to be stupid
If you as an individual are going to try to do your bit, why would you be more effective if you lived in a bigger city?

I actually copied the title from what was sent to me, and I don't what he's on about. Again personally all I need is to have one person go to this to tell us if it's worth knowing about...who cares whether that one person is in a city of 1million or 4?

Not sure if you've ever run a workshop, but 30 people might be a good number if it's interactive. And if you only need 30 people, then we're back to the question of who cares about the size of the city that those 30 people come from?

and achieved his goal!

Steem.... I find much common ground with David Korten on many of his ideas....

Particularly his interpretations of modern "Finance Capitalism".... think he nails thing very succinctly IMHO...

http://www.monies.cc/forum/actions/subm ... he_abc.htm

The rest of his work and talks are devoted to what he feels the world and individual communities need to do to address the con job that financial capitalism has inflicted on the peoples of the world and how to return rights of democracy, individual and collective freedoms and responsibilites to each and every one of us... and the world as a whole...

http://davidkorten.org/content/great-turning-0

Much is based upon the influences of Frued and the "father" of modern PR Edward Bernays, who invented public relations,..... it's manifestations in todays world of spin doctory, advertising and the false beliefs of consumerism...

P.S..... Hilters propaganda man Joseph Goebbels was a disciple of Bernays..... and his work has an overwealming influence in the world of advertising and retail presentation.... also on the "economic rationalists" and neo-cons of the Bush administration....

i'll go. can you ring me when you get a chance.

Thanks for the link! I liked reading that.

I'm silly , definately not stupid.

If he has any real 'factual' things to share,,please let us know.
I don't like the current 'system" I can easily attack the current system,,but I cannot offer a better and realistic alternative.

I truly hope he has the answer,,but I'd bet against it.

Perhaps he can... perhaps not.... knowledge is a powerful tool....

A journey, or change.... both start with a single step Chappo.... perhaps you should read what he argues and suggests...

The alternative is to sit here and do NOTHING..... and that's just what nasty minded powerful people in industry, finance and political power want you and I to do.... nothing...

What they'll do is blind and baffle us with bullshit and spin.... when really threatened, they'll screw us with interest rates, lower wages... and if need be... violence....

I think "the answer" is hard to give to most people because they want to do things like they always have, "things" must change. People want 100 mile per gallon cars, but will not give up their SUVs that make them feel safe and can do 0 to 60 MPH on 6 seconds. Its like saying I want to start a camp fire but im not going to get out of the lake. Two diamertically opposed things are just not going to work together. My parents for example. They want solar power, but they do not want a home designed to use passive thermal designs, they want to run a large air conditioner, dryer, electric cook top, clothes dryer, oven, leave all the lights on and have flood lights all all night on every corner of every building. Because they want "business as usual" there is no easy answer for a better world for them. I think how we function as families and as a society must change at a fundamental level. Energy, and money drive everything in this world.

It may be that population and money are the real barrier to a sustainable world. I, for example, must use pumps and energy to do AP because of limited land. If I had several hectares then I could just have lakes on it to grow fish and their food using only the suns energy input. However, with land getting as high as $19,000 USD per acre around here, owning enough land to live off of is not possible. So, up till now, I have been stuck as a consumer buying and eating sorry tomatoes as is everyone else. As the age of the corporation continues everything in society is becoming increasingly impossible to get what is needed for a balanced life without just being a slave to the system spending your life on giving them money; i.e. slave. Land is becoming something for lords and kings again and the common people are stuck share cropping land(what ever your profession) that they can not own. Every decision is becoming based on how much I can produce for the system and what little cut of my labor I get. If I want water, the better choice, I am confronted with $1.50 a bottle or do whats worst for my life and get a coke twice the size for half the price. I am penalized for being a thinking person and doing what is best. Im charged more because they know they can get more money from a person who chooses and pursues a healthier course vs the person who does not think or care about what goes in their body. Its this greedy corporate mentality that is enslaving us all in everything from land to tomatoes.


Please do report back the ideas covered! I always have my ears open for something usable.

Be fair Rupe,interest rates are being pushed by wage inflation in China,,,and falsely inflated oil prices,,,got to be fair on that,,,many want to blame the Labour governement,,but reality is that pressure has been looming for quite a while.
Change for changes sake, is what worries me,..... "good" change I support.

I'm a "capitalist" by reasoning,NOT by nature,,,Communism is the perfect system until reality gets in the road. Human beings , by their very nature are competitive animals,we have an inbuilt will to control and succeed.This is the very basis of our success and our probable ultimate down-fall.
I am hoping to see significant change with the upcoming carbon credit scheme ,if implemented correctly,,THIS could be a VERY big thing. From my own perspective ,what a wonderful thing to see the Isaan (NE Thailand) returned to its former glory,,,it was once 1,000,000 square kilometres of forest with wild elephant and Tiger.
PROBLEM,, agreed the owners of the land get carbon credit money for growing trees,,BUT who is going to grow the rice???

There IS a simple BUT brutal fact,, there are too many people.

in adelaide we don't have enough water to sustain the current population of around a million people. Yet our premier wants and is actively pursuing as a goal and policy, to double that in the near future. Go figure. We elected him. Go figure. WTF

Intrest rates are 'pushed' by speculation, not usually reality.
Carbon credits are just another corporate tool.

sleepe,,,interest rates are adjusted to cool or warm an economy,,,balance is important.Ifan economyis allowed to over-heat the interest rate rises needed to cool same become LARGE,,,I had two loans when housing interest rates hit 18.5% ( Keating days). The interest rates prior to that period had NOT been raised sufficientlyto quell demand,,,suddenly there was a BIG problem.


QUOTE "carbon credits are just another corporate tool"
Easy to make a statement like the above,,, how abou toffering a better alternative???

I await with open mind.

I haven't witnessed any great change ,as yet.I'll look again tomorrow,,,
Could you please inform us when this great change , directly attributable to the 30 attendies at the Adelaide conference ,,,will happen? I've warned all my family and friends that this great change is about to happen,,,,they are waiting also.

Fact , truth, reality once again shows who is "stupid".

ROFLMAO