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Finally, a good gun story

A guy walked into a crowded bar, waving his unholstered pistol and yelled, "I have a .45 Colt with an eight shot clip and I want to know who's been sleeping with my wife."
A voice from the back of the room called out, "You don't have enough ammo!"

Yeah…… well……. some people think that the US is heavily involved in the head cutting business and child killing/raping thing. Would these organizations have come into existence if the US hadn't "intervened" in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.? Americans seem to ignore those facts and in doing that, ignore the rules of causal logic.

Were the areas where people today living in poverty and starvation like that, lets say 90 years ago? Or did it started when American "imperial" expansion really took off and ravaged those areas, taking their resources and sending in Monsanto like vampire companies to suck out the very last?

Are Americans really so exceptional that the rest of the world has to submit to their ideology? Some think not.

"There is nothing wrong or violent about guns themselves,…."

Guns are in their nature violent, after all their are invented and produced to kill or hurt, which is a violent act. Any weapon is intended to be used in a violent act. I agree, if there were no humans around, weapons would not be used (don't see a cat or dog grab a gun!) and might not even exist at all.

So, humans are the obvious problem. Keeping them away from any kind of weapon would be the logical choice. Hence, gun control seems to serve that purpose. But…..in my opinion gun control should be imposed upon everybody, including and first upon governments and their military madmen.

"I hope you don't truly believe that. Even if you and your friends vote for the "right people" it doesn't stop everyone else from voting for the wrong ones. Even with our 2nd amendment we've largely lost control of our government."

Not only me and my friends should vote for the right people, you should do that too! Americans lost the control over their government because they let it happen! They prefer to listen to BS and MSM and vote on impulse instead of really looking into the programs and credibility of the candidates.

I don't vote, because there is nobody around I would vote for, it's that simple. If nobody would vote, these creepy, slimy politicians have no base to exist on. After all, no vote is a NO vote! All we have to do is refuse the creepy, slimy politicians as candidates and demand real people, with real programs and clear and provable good intentions for society. Voting for the "best" of the worst, still brings in the worst.

But hey, I'm just a single voice in the desert trying to create a little piece of green oasis there. If in due time you need some veggies or fish and leave your gun and violence at home, we might share some of it.

Guns are tools like any other, it all depends on how you use them. They may have had their origins in the military but in civilian hands they are tools primarily used for self-defense, target practice, hunting, and control of pest animals which aren't violent acts against other people. The same can be said for nail guns, you choose to build a house or drive a nail into someones skull. Play baseball with a baseball bat or beat someone and take their wallet. Use a kitchen knife to cut up a turkey or stab someone. It's all in how you choose to use the tool.



Not voting is just deciding to sit on the sidelines, it's not sending a message or a NO vote unless you get literally everyone in your country not to vote. Even if they have no chance of winning you should vote for any good politician you can find and hope that momentum builds in the future. (Not sure of your voting process or if that's possible, mainly referencing the U.S. on that point.) Thailand isn't exactly the model of stability and democracy either, there is a coup every few years.

Unfortunately I was born too late to make any difference in our government, it was too late by then. I'll never leave my gun but I don't have any violence to bring in the 1st place.

"Guns are tools like any other, it all depends on how you use them. They may have had their origins in the military but in civilian hands they are tools primarily used for self-defense, target practice, hunting, and control of pest animals which aren't violent acts against other people. The same can be said for nail guns, you choose to build a house or drive a nail into someones skull. Play baseball with a baseball bat or beat someone and take their wallet. Use a kitchen knife to cut up a turkey or stab someone. It's all in how you choose to use the tool."

Sorry, but I fail to see a weapon as a "tool". If nobody has a weapon, no need for self-defense with a weapon or target practicing. Hunting can be done with many other means, the same for control of pest animals.
All the other tools you mention are invented and original meant to be used in a constructive or leisure way. A gun can't be used to build a house, play baseball or cut up a turkey, can it? It only has one purpose; killing or causing damage.

Hope is not a good base to build a future on. Hoping for a good politician to vote for is like Einstein's saying;"Doing the same stupid thing over and over again, hoping for a different result at some point". Do you think that will work? It didn't with Obama, it didn't with Bush, it didn't with Clinton, it didn't with papa Bush, it didn't with the actor, it didn't with Nixon etc.

So, what about Thailand?

Looks like its going to be mobiles at dawn.


Skeg

That is not quite what I said.

I don't mind Armadale (better when it was a sort of village); two gov't dept's made stupid mistakes. Dept of Housing and the other that policing overnight should be run from Cannington. Political *frack*.


Ok seen the other one. Dom if you were a farmer and a bushfire had just gone through your property and your stock were dying in, lets face it severe pain, what would you do?

Having no gun? Use a knife or an axe and be a man!

If you don't vote, then you really shouldn't be allowed to even voice your opinion about the current political systems. In my country, a lot of people died trying to preserve your right to vote. Not voting and then complaining is an insult to all those as well as all those who were lucky enough to come home.

Unchecked patriotism can be just as bad as not caring about what happens. And it's something I think is wrong with the states, every morning at school, you have to put your hand on your heart, and pledge your allegiance to the flag/country, in my mind, that is massive brainwashing at an early age. And anybody who says something bad about the States in the country is unpatriotic, but I doubt you'd see it that way.

And past WW2, I can't think of a war that the US has been in that would come close to disrupting your rights to vote, only disrupting others from voting (like booting out the democratic Iranian gov, and many others). If you have the right to do something, you should have the equal right not to do it. And i think America caused a lot of the current problems in the world at the moment, like ISIS, if they didn't go into Afganistan, or Iraq (which killed 500,000 people there), then the children of those people who were killed wouldn't have grown up with a hatred to the west, and joined crap like ISIS.

But this is getting away from gun control, which isn't something we're going to agree on.

As an Aussie, it really bugs me when people get their idea on the use of firearms from tv and movies.
It is not representative of their use here.

Another way to look at it.
If you remove another individual's rights, you cannot complain when yours are removed.
- I can see a time when an argument will be put forth that farming fish (as an amateur/hobbyist) will be denounced for spreading aquatic diseases and noxious pests.
So the public will denounce the activity and it shall be banned.
Don't complain now, it's for the greater good. You environmental vandal.
- Similar arguments will be put forth regarding gardening. That it provides habitat for rodents and spreads agricultural diseases and environmental pests.
Again the activity will be denounced, after all, you can just buy this stuff in the shops. You selfish, destructive, environmental vandal who is risking your neighbours' health and well being and the biosecurity of our primary production and therefore the nation as a whole. Treasonous individual that you are.
- Fishing is even worse than hunting, as far as animal welfare is concerned. They are hooked, often inside the gut then played with for an extended time for sport. Their bodies are often damaged in their terrified attempts to escape. You sadistic fish torturing mongrel. then they are inexpertly killed or often just left to slowly die over an hour or so. Then many released fish simply suffer a slow, agonising death from injuries and resultant disease. Sick, animal torturing sickos these anglers are.
Pictures of grinning fishers will be shared in online social media shaming until the practice is banned for the archaic abomination that it is. Besides, you can buy fish at the shops. You wouldn't slaughter a pig at the beach would you? Sick, twisted angler. I bet you beat your kids too, don't you?

I may be guilty of hyperbole here but my argument is, just because an activity does not appeal to you personally that doesn't mean you should prevent others who are doing the right thing from doing it.
Arguments are easily made that can target pretty much anyone.

One of my aims is to not affect the lives of others in any negative way and hope that they extend me the same courtesy.
That hope is largely unfulfilled...

Using your argument this would also exclude bows, spears etc.

There you go Charlie; hunting roos with only household tools, and no hiding boomerangs in the back of the ute.

Onya Bodgy well said on your last statement.

Vastly more people in Australia are robbed, wounded, murdered and accidentally killed by blades and knives than firearms.
Anyone who wishes to posses one should first have to undergo stringent psychological testing and background checks. Really, unless they are trained and licensed professionals they have no need for them.
The shops sell food ingredients ready to use, why do you need a knife? Such commercial activities power the economy and provide local jobs for your children and neighbours! Think of the children!
Why do you want a blade?
Does it make you "feel like a man"? I suspect that you sit in your underwear watching movies from the 'SAW' series sharpening your knives, don't you?
Are you compensating for something?
All of these dangerous weapons are lying around, unsecured in EVERY house!
What if someone breaks into your house and uses that weapon against you?
#BANTHEBLADE

(When I say 'you', that isn't directed at anyone at all. It's a ridiculous argument I'm making, a reflection of what firearm users experience. Not any kind of attack on anybody at all. Love ya's ).

Apologies, I've recently started intense physical labour for work and suspect I might be experiencing a bit of a testosterone spike at the moment...
Slightly resembling my forum avatar again aren't I?

Actually the one you have to watch is Column; he can carry concealed weapons.