The Future of our Food

DanDMan

Well this is all I can say to that:
:thefinger:

If anyone thinks the government has the power to do that and are willing to submit to it they are no american nor free man.

This country was founded on the idea that it could never be a criime for falure to comply. Now look where we are.. :crazy3:

DanDMan

Sorry, for me that was not proper to give the finger.

tamo42

There has been a lot of talk about this on various natural food mailing lists that I'm on. Here are the things prohibited by the bill:

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SEC. 401. PROHIBITED ACTS.

It is prohibited--

(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;
(2) to adulterate or misbrand any food in interstate commerce;
(3) for a food establishment or foreign food establishment to fail to register under section 202, or to operate without a valid registration;
(4) to refuse to permit access to a food establishment or food production facility for the inspection and copying of a record as required under sections 205(f) and 206(a);
(5) to fail to establish or maintain any record or to make any report as required under sections 205(f) and 206(b);
(6) to refuse to permit entry to or inspection of a food establishment as required under section 205;
(7) to fail to provide to the Administrator the results of testing or sampling of food, equipment, or material in contact with food, that is positive for any contaminant under section 205(f)(1)(B);
(8) to fail to comply with a provision, regulation, or order of the Administrator under section 202, 203, 204, 206, or 208;
(9) to slaughter an animal that is capable for use in whole or in part as human food at a food establishment processing any food for commerce, except in compliance with the food safety law;
(10) to transfer food in violation of an administrative detention order under section 402 or to remove or alter a required mark or label identifying the food as detained;
(11) to fail to comply with a recall or other order under section 403; or
(12) to otherwise violate the food safety law.

To me, it seems to say there will be more registration requirements.

Angie, you are definitely right that the federal government has interpreted the interstate commerce clause to a ridiculous extent so that it's now basically meaningless.

Angie

Three of seven ileostomists showed evidence of low-frequency gene transfer from GM soya to the microflora of the small bowel before their involvement in these experiments. As this low level of epsps in the intestinal microflora did not increase after consumption of the meal containing GM soya, we conclude that gene transfer did not occur during the feeding experiment.
http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v22/n ... bt934.html
Hope I haven't offended, I didn't intend to

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First of all, I am not offended but did you read what you wrote? This how I am interpreting what you said, please correct me if I am wrong.
In the above quote, you wrote that these people had already showed gene transfer from GM soya to their small bowels.

I am interpreting this as that these people had already had the bacteria in their intestines modified and you're okay with this? The intestinal bacteria has already been altered by GM products, so why are they safe for human consumption? I don't know if you are aware of this or not but a person cannot survive without the bacteria in their systems breaking down the food so that the nutrients can be absorbed by our intestines. Without our symbiotic relationship, a person would starve to death.
Feed back is welcome.

On another note, for those who despise Monsanto, I just found out that they have the patient to "terminator technology". They say they have no plans to use it on their website but a few years ago, it caused a huge firestorm all over the world. Just a few sites to get you started.

"Is Monsanto Going to Develope or Sell "Terminator" seeds? Monsanto Web Page- MonsantoToday.com
http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto_today/ ... _seeds.asp
An additional comment before you read this site, Monsanto is correct in that they didn't create the "terminator technology", they bought the patient and all of it's rights.
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The Suicide Seeds- Time Magazine
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 11,00.html

Seed Terminator and Mega-Merger Threaten Food and Freedom
http://www.iahf.com/world/980622k.html

US Patent 5723765 - Control of plant gene expression
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5723765/fulltext.html
The late embryogenesis promoter and the lethal gene are then directly linked. The lethal gene is not expressed, however, because the promoter is not active at this time in the plant's life cycle. This seed can be planted, and grown to produce a desired crop of plants. As the crop matures and produces a second generation of seed, the late embryogenesis promoter becomes active, the lethal gene is expressed in the maturing second generation seed, which is rendered incapable of germination. In this way, accidental reseeding, escape of the crop plant to areas outside the area of cultivation, or germination of stored seed can be avoided.

RupertofOZ

I'll make absolutely no secret of my utter distain for Monsanto...

They are the most despicable, evil corporation on earth IMO... and represent the greatest threat to humanity and freedom in mankinds history....

IMO... their entire facilities and all genetic stock should be razed from the face of the earth...

BatonRouge Bill

Rupe, it's not the science that makes them rotten, its the legal mafia bullying. Round up isn't a bad product, Legally requiring people to use it is. They certainly do not seem to be a good corporate citizen. They do seem to work in the shadows and present their product break-thru's only in the best light, where the public hasn't got a clue. I had no clue until I started seeing these type topics HERE. It should be plain and simple. NO Patents on living things, plant or animal. It's hard to imagine how it got this far without huge public outcry! I guess as long as McDonalds has burgers and fries, most people don't care beyond that. Peoples knowlege is bigger but their perspectives are smaller. Sad.

steem

hi angie, I finally read my post the way you did, and you're right...the implications are still bad.
I got caught up with the fact that the article was somewhat misquoted in wikipedia and missed the big picture. Sorry about the confusion.

Cheers
Stephen

RupertofOZ

BatonRouge Bill wrote:

Rupe, it's not the science that makes them rotten, its the legal mafia bullying. Round up isn't a bad product, Legally requiring people to use it is. They certainly do not seem to be a good corporate citizen. They do seem to work in the shadows and present their product break-thru's only in the best light, where the public hasn't got a clue. I had no clue until I started seeing these type topics HERE. It should be plain and simple. NO Patents on living things, plant or animal. It's hard to imagine how it got this far without huge public outcry! I guess as long as McDonalds has burgers and fries, most people don't care beyond that. Peoples knowlege is bigger but their perspectives are smaller. Sad.

Completely agree BRB... but their "ethics" seem totally bound by their corporate "vision" and embraced by mangament...

These things are conscious decisions... and is what makes them evil... not so much the "pure science"... as you point out...

Yep, I agree with you.... we should never have allowed the patenting of genes and living things...

Dufflight

I think one of the problems with monsanto and GM is they are narrowing the gene pool for plants. Humans have a lot of problems because of not having enough genetic diversity. And they are going to be doing it to our food supply. By the time they realise there could be a problem it will be too late. But there are too many people on the planet so it may fix that problem. :mrgreen:

Angie

Well, since we are on the subject of Monsanto, this is the latest on them.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory. ... 1840888506

They are turning a nice little profit right now, even in the recession and it is because of the GM seeds. Too bad it is drenched in human blood.

Seeds of Suicide- Frontline
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough ... idgen.html

Angie

This is getting depressing so maybe I can lighten this a little.

I believe I have told you about being able to qualify for a maximum $300,000 FSA loan after one season of profitability and up to almost $1 mil with their other program.
http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/webapp?area ... &topic=bfl

What I realize is that most of you here don't want a commercial system but may wish for a bigger hobby type system so I think I have found a future funding source for you guys as well, at least up to $10,000. I'll keep you posted.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/technol ... /index.htm

StephanieB

Maybe some good news:

Organic Compost delivered to USDA

Angie

I sure hope so. I've been reading mixed messages about the future of small farmers in the U.S.

I ran across this interesting article while researching earthworms omega-3 capabilities.

Bioengineering: The Worm Turns With Pork
4/1/2006 Miami Herald (Miami, Florida)
No one knows what these omega-3 producing swine taste like. Some were slaughtered to undergo chemical tests; others have been kept alive for breeding purposes. But not a single one has been grilled, fried or baked.
And even if scientists decided to sacrifice one piggy for their personal taste test, the bitter reality is this: Scientists used a gene from an earthworm on the mutant pigs. Yes, a slimy, slithering earthworm.
Yuks aside, we have to wonder if this will translate into worm-tasting pork. But let's not think about it, OK? Jimmy Dean's omega-3 sausages won't hit the supermarket aisles any time soon, earthworm gene or not. All the extra salivating over recent news reports has been premature because federal regulators still have to OK the genetically modified pigs. That could take years. Besides, no modified animals have been approved as food products in the United States, so far.
http://www.wormdigest.org/content/view/263/2/

This though might be of more interest to some of you here.

PROPOSED ORGANIC AQUACULTURE STANDARDS:
Fish Feed and Related Management Issues September 28, 2008
The following recommendations are being brought forward in order to maintain organic principles in organic aquaculture through the limited stepped down use of sustainably-sourced wild-caught fish feed as a nonsynthetic feed supplement.
.... The amount of wild fish that goes into feeding the aquatic animals cannot exceed one pound of wild fish product fed for every pound of live weight of cultured aquatic animals at harvest.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile ... RDC5072721

US organic aquaculture recommendations please no one
The outcome of months of deliberation and input from stakeholders aimed at creating standards for organic aquaculture have culminated in outrage from organic and consumer groups and dismay from the industry itself.
....They also complained about the standards approved by NOSB that would allow organic fish farmers to use wild fish (which must not come from forage species, such as menhaden) as part of their feed mix provided it did not exceed 25 percent of the total.
“The recommendations would allow fish to be fed “food other than 100% organic feed - the gold standard that must be met by other USDA - certified organic livestock and fishmeal used to feed farmed fish from wild fish - which has the potential to carry mercury and PCBs"....
http://www.growfish.com.au/content.asp?ContentId=12477

Hey, if anyone else finds anything that might be of interest in this forum, please feel free to add.

Cyara

Interesting posts Angie.

Omega-3 pork possible cos of GM with earthworms? Wonder what they plan to feed them..... compost? Amazing but still yuck. I think I will stay with my fish thanks!

Some good news... Small Farms on the Rise in America
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20090217/u ... se-america

If such news is so easily seen to be allied to positive climate change why is Agri-business getting away with murder?

RupertofOZ

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why is Agri-business getting away with murder?

Because we have let them... for thirty years.... time to call in the accounts I reckon...

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