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Zombie, do you think maybe God and George Bush planned hurricane Katrina? I do not. You know everyone has a right to voice their opinion ( in US anyway). But I don't see world leaders taking there jets and meeting on a tropical island or anywhere. Maybe they used email. Guess it could have been by phone. Let's see, Churchill says to the operator "ring me up Hitler." Or maybe they text messaged. See my point, Ozzie?


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that's the thing with conspiracy theories, isn't it. scientology was responsible for cyclone katrina or maybe the government built a weather machine like in red alert 2. the thing is no one will ever know cause the government keeps secrets and we the unsuspecting public will believe what we are told or rather will have no proof to say otherwise. so anything can be said but nothing can be said fact or fiction. it could have happened.


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I suggest everyone watch "the eleventh hour" http://wip.warnerbros.com/11thhour/ if at all possible. Great Doco..... Yes you have to put up with little talks by Leonardo DiCaprio now and then, but the doco is well worth watching, with many points of view put forward by authors and scientists, politicians and religious leaders. It explains about how population growth has surged on the back of fossil fuels, and how we seem to be headed blindly into trouble as fossil fuels decrease.


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Yep EB you only have to compare the curves of oil discovery, production and population growth. They pretty much match each other.
The US dollar is now based on energy (oil) not the old gold standard...So what happens when the supply/production curve reaches a peak and starts declining.............................Glad I growing some of my own food.


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Yep EB you only have to compare the curves of oil discovery, production and population growth. They pretty much match each other.
The US dollar is now based on energy (oil) not the old gold standard...So what happens when the supply/production curve reaches a peak and starts declining.............................Glad I growing some of my own food.


In a word LB..... WAR... God help us :(


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For me growing my own food is not an option; its a requirement. Eating [s] organic [/s] natural food is a must for our family because of health issues but requires at least 50% more money than regular food. Food now consumes 25% of my income and the price of meat has been jumping in the past few weeks. If I grow 50% of my food then thats a 12.5% pay raise! Im not going to get those kind of returns in the stock market; in fact my retirement lost money the last two years..


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People will innovate like the Cubans, all over the world, in response to shortage, and ideas will disseminate if not by the internet through the old fashioned methods, and by the "hundredth monkey" effect. Andrew



this "hundredth monkey" biz anything like 1000 monkeys typing on 1000 typewriters? or are you talking the 100th episode of monkey?
Hi bundaberg kid,
It refers to some anthropological research done in the 1960s on monkeys - when a group of monkeys on one island figured out how to wash sand off coconuts in the ocean before eating them, the knowledge spread simultaneously to other communities of monkeys on islands hundreds of miles away; this is talked about by Rupert Sheldrake as being a 'critical mass' of knowledge which in some way almost "telepathically" spreads among a population. A bit like the sudden change in Germany which led to the Wall coming down; it happened very quickly. The researchers coined the term 100th monkey because it took about 100 monkeys to figure out the idea, before all the monkeys on surrounding islands got it simultaneously. It also was shown for swallows in Europe figuring out how to open milk bottle lids. I think it is called morphic resonance by Sheldrake. cheers
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the knowledge spread simultaneously to other communities of monkeys on islands hundreds of miles away


Unless they had cellphones, this sounds like junk science.


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maybe Scientology ?


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To come back to previous sayings, WW2 is a consequence of WW1, if it hadn't been so hard for the german's after WW1 they wouldn't have needed a tuff leader (and tuff he was...)

WW1 comes from ego of french generals towards 1870's war where they lost two regions of france which by the way were already speaking more german than french. All the guys who went to war at that time didn't know why they fought, look at 1918 christmas eve , german soldiers spend the chrissy night with allied soldiers, they helped each other to get there bodies back and exchange food goods.

For me war is an economic machinery more than a human regulation system, the deads are colateral damages. That's why the powerfull want the weak to fight to get richer.

And for this story of mind share, how can you explain that agricultural knowledge has been found to be developed at the same time at different points on earth, animal domestication is the same, and writing, i think that our brains share ideas during sleeping. Possible or not but strange...

We are very far of using our brains at max capacity, as studies show that we only use 10% of our abilities so what are the 90% left?


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We are very far of using our brains at max capacity, as studies show that we only use 10% of our abilities so what are the 90% left?


The 10% barin capacity thing is an old myth, our (my) brain is totally maxxed out:
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/ ... inCapacity


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It's nice to have newer data but to have a it from a scientist in aeronautics and mechanics is somehow disturbing.

Anyway i think that our brains have the abilities to learn and be much more efficient in thinking processes than most of us do.

Even if the blood irrigates the whole brain, it doesn't mean that we use all of our possibilities. We are all humans but everybody can do his specific thing with the same brain at the basis.

We are pushing it at the max for now but i think that we have more ressources than we think we have.

By the way do you know that our brain consumes 2500W only for the use we have of it, the best computer on earth.


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Duhhh... I guess I'm using more than 100% of mine. Duhhhh... :wink:


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Take holidays and come to France DD, i'll get you visit over here and you'll be at 10% when you go back to work!!


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OK! :smile:


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