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PostPosted: Oct 8th, '08, 21:16 
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its really shit that you've got to go to those lengths.....................:(

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As of April 7th, 1997, the United States FDA (Food & Drug Administration) required that all fluoride toothpastes sold in the U.S. carry the following poison warning:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately.

Potentially fatal dose = 5 mg of fluoride per kg of bodyweight.

Ingestion of fluoride can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at doses at least 15 to 20 times lower (0.2-0.3 mg/kg) than doses which can kill (Gessner 1994;[citation needed] Akiniwa 1997[citation needed]). A 2-year-old, for example, may experience gastrointestinal distress if they ingest a mere 2 to 3 percent

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Prevalence of dental fluorosis
The Center of Disease Control found a 9% higher prevalence of dental fluorosis in American children than was found in a similar survey 20 years ago. In addition, the survey provides further evidence that African Americans suffer from higher rates of fluorosis than Caucasian Americans.


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PostPosted: Oct 8th, '08, 21:19 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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Yukk just did a google of fluorosis,
thats aweful!


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Not so much trouble for me Steve. The wife says she is going to take charge of the water carrying duties - but I'll believe that when I see it :lol:


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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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So VB you got a pig pit?


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PostPosted: Oct 9th, '08, 22:56 
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Keep looking you will find it!


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Two interesting quotes:

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government finally acknowledging dangers of fluoride
Friday November 17th 2006, 11:00 am
Filed under: children's health, paradigm shift, toxins abound, water

Finally, the Centers for Disease Control and the American Dental Association are starting to admit — after more than a half century of denials — that ingesting fluoride is harmful to babies. (It’s harmful to adults, too, but we’ll take whatever we can get at this point.)

The following is from the Organic Consumers Association:

Now, the Centers for Disease Control reports that modern science shows that fluoride absorbs into enamel topically. However, adverse effects occur upon ingestion. Further, the CDC admits enamel fluoride concentration is not inversely related to cavities.

This is a big deal. The CDC has admitted that topical use of fluoride is “effective” at achieving fluoride levels on tooth enamel, making fluoride in the water pointless. Moreover, and this is the key, the CDC is admitting that the amount of fluoride on your teeth is NOT inversely related to cavites, meaning that fluoride doesn’t necessarily ward off tooth decay.

To prevent tooth damage, the American Dental Association (ADA) warned its members that fluoridated water should not be mixed into concentrated formula or foods intended for babies one year and younger, in a November 9th ADA e-mail alert.

“But who will alert parents,” asks lawyer Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. (NYSCOF).

Two-thirds of U.S. public water suppliers add fluoride chemicals, based on a disproved theory that fluoride ingestion prevents cavities. Bottled water with added fluoride is now sold with specific instructions to mix into infant formula.


The Environmental Protection Agency is required to consider the most vulnerable populations when setting allowable water fluoride levels. To protect babies, allowable water fluoride levels must be near zero.

The Environmental Working Group analyzed government data in March 2006 and found that babies are over-exposed to fluoride in most major U.S. cities.

“This should end water fluoridation,” says Beeber. “Fluoridation is a failed concept that must be abandoned before more Americans are harmed,” says Beeber.


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Friday October 06th 2006, 7:47 am
Filed under: "health" care, children's health, toxins abound, water

Okay, I know, your dentist says fluoride is good for you, helps prevent tooth decay, and so forth, and it’s even added to baby water (so-called nursery water) for Pete’s sake. But it’s poison, no joke. The fluoride added to our water is actually a hazardous waste byproduct of fetilizer production. I’m being completely serious.

Earlier this year the National Academy of Sciences said that the EPA’s upper limit for fluoride content in drinking water is not safe. This is from a Wall Street Journal article (March 23, 2006):

The [NAS] report concluded that children exposed to four milligrams of fluoride per liter, the highest allowable level, risk developing severe dental fluorosis, in which teeth become mottled, pitted and scarred. Because fluoride can weaken bones, people who consume water containing that much fluoride are likely to be at increased risk for bone fractures.

Only about 200,000 people in the U.S. live in places where the fluoride levels are at least that high, and those levels of fluoride are usually from naturally occurring sources such as rock and soil formations. However, and this is a big however, we get fluoride from many other sources in our daily lives and thus the average American can easily surpass that upper limit. We certainly don’t need it chemically added to our water, too.

In addition to water and toothpaste, there are also concentrations of fluoride in tea, especially instant tea — which far exceeds the EPA limit, which is itself unsafe. Hot dogs, mechanically separated meats (pretty much anything processed) and canned and fresh fish also contain fluoride.

Many, many pharmaceuticals are actually fluoride compounds. Take Cipro, for example, which is a fluorinated quinolone, belonging to a class of fluorinated antibiotics, which also include enoxacin, fleroxacin, temafloxacin, grepafloxacin, norfloxacin, sparfloxacin, tosufloxacin, lomefloxacin and ofloxacin. All of these contain dangerous levels of fluoride.

There is also fluoride in the air, especially around heavy industry. Welders are known to get arthritis because they breathe it while working. Essentially, fluoride accumulates in their joints.

There are budding movements all over the country to stop adding chemical waste to our drinking water supplies. Citizens for Safe Drinking Water is on of them and has a great site. The Fluoride Action Network is another resource and grassroots group.

This mp3 audio interview with Dr. David Kennedy, a dentist, on the dangers of fluoride. It is excellent and worth listening to in the background while you’re working at your desk.

It’s worth noting that the vast majority of water filtration systems don’t remove fluoride. The only one I know of that does is reverse osmosis. You can buy a system for under your sink for less than $200. I have not done so yet, so every week I bring about three dozen glass 16 oz. bottles to the grocery store and buy their reverse-osmosis filtered water for $0.39/gallon. It’s much cheaper than bottled water (which usually has fluoride too, although not in the amounts that tap water does), leaves a smaller footprint on the environment and allows me to avoid plastic containers as much as possible. This is a subject for another day, but plastic leaches phthalate, a known endocrine disruptor.

Fluoride, by the way, is also a known endocrine disruptor — it is extremely harmful to the thyroid, which is part of the system that, among other things, helps us manage our weight. Our endocrine system is pretty much responsible for regulating just about everything in our bodies. Our endocrine system helps regulate our sleep and wake cycles, our moods, our metabolism. Yet a lot of the pharmaceuticals we take for impairments of those very systems are themselves full of fluoride.

Sometimes I wonder if this madness will ever stop…


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PostPosted: Oct 27th, '08, 19:27 
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what about protecting your teeth?? it's well documented that fluoride in drinking water results in much better dental health, which frankly out weighs the arguments of anti fluoride campaigners. i mean seriously i'm hardly swayed by the argument that "oh my gosh fluoride is a poison" yes, just about ANYTHING is at the right dose....
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/ind ... itle/10535

and i'm also not convinced by people that claim fluoride is wrong because it's mass medication(these people usually are against immunization as well) - that fact that your providing medication on a massive scale isn't inherently wrong.


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http://www.health.qld.gov.au/fluoride/f ... n_aust.asp

guess who has the worst teeth in australia? you guessed it, QLD. i can't put enough emphasis on how important dental health is to your overall well being. if you think a few ppm of fluoride is dangerous, compare it to having a rotting tooth where you are constantly swallowing the by products of decomposition.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/li ... nt-eng.php


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nothing to do with it being the sugar cane capital of oz as well? ;)


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medication on amassive scale is fine by me, what is not fine is the mass medication of the water supply. Personal preferences regarding immunisation are irrelevant in this topic, but i bet ya they wouldn't be if all immunisations were to be supplied in our drinking water.

Timmy, not taking the piss, but did you read any of dans quotes?

i'll make it a manageable tid bit.............

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Now, the Centers for Disease Control reports that modern science shows that fluoride absorbs into enamel topically. However, adverse effects occur upon ingestion. Further, the CDC admits enamel fluoride concentration is not inversely related to cavities.

This is a big deal. The CDC has admitted that topical use of fluoride is “effective” at achieving fluoride levels on tooth enamel, making fluoride in the water pointless. Moreover, and this is the key, the CDC is admitting that the amount of fluoride on your teeth is NOT inversely related to cavites, meaning that fluoride doesn’t necessarily ward off tooth decay.


maybe one day fluoride will be part of these pages, an interesting read (and nothing to do with the topic ;)) but shows effectively how a misconception or erranous reverse hypothesis can become "fact" if it is repeated enough........................ http://www.geocities.com/kfuller2001/tmyths.htm


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I would think having your teeth sealed with plastic would be safer than fluoride. The county with the best teeth in the state have zero fluoride in their water, but have lime stone. There is only one dentist in the whole county! Now if I followed the "it must be in the water" crowd then I would run and start drinking lime stone water. I prefer scientific proof; which real science it getting harder and harder to come by these days as most scientist prefer dogma over theory backed by experimental proofs.

I had teeth cleaning yearly with fluoride treatment, used fluoride tooth paste, used fluoride tooth paste twice a way as I grew up, yet my teeth have crumbled away, and not fluoride makes me sick. I found an article a while back stating that fluoride can actually lead to fragile bones. So, for the case it settled fluoride did squat for me! :pottytrain5:

They have good teeth so.. its in the water.. :roll: Give me a break..


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Oh forgot to mention that I used fluoride tooth mouth rinse too.. What the hell was I thinking... I was a lemming..


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FLOURIDE !
ABC !
Right NOW !


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eh , sorry , had to get thoat out , the phone was ringing

Theres a bit on ABC right now about Water Flouridation in Australia , mainlty queensland , with all these talking head dentists saying how great flouride is ....

for some reason theyre using shots of the diversion dam at Kununurru as a "big body of water thats got flouride in it" , um ....


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