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Its not nice when an individual gets hurt for the "profit" of others is it? Now that guy knows how the animals feel.






This.

How can the coke defenders not understand that although coke is not littering, they are directly stopping the change of attitude and benefits to society and the environment that this change would have brought?
Its time that large corporations are held responsible for the rubbish that they produce, it doesnt matter who drops it, they make it, they put it into the world, just because it is in a rubbish bin doesnt mean it has been removed from the world.

If corporastions actually had an adopted "social/environmental" citizenship approach... they would not only not be opposing such moves... but would either have already adopted them.. and/or be marketing themselves as "environmentally friendly"... and good "corporate citizens"... with "social responsibility"...

And in the past many have... sadly with a decade or so of social engineering... corporations are now viewed as the "end all, and be all".. of social structure... and almost above the law... and society... and a law unto themselves...

And as such... usually only adopt any environmental, or other regulatory compliance... when forced to...

When Coke, or any other corporation... wants to demonstrate good coporate social, and environmental citizenship... I'll applaud them....

Until then... they're fair game.... they're a business.... not citizens.... and should be able to be held to account... just as we should hold to account individuals, groups... or elected officials....

I'm staggered how our lives... and thinking... have been manipulated to the point where corporations are now seen to be all consuming.. and important... and more so than people.. or the environment....

D Suzuki..

Exactly...

+ infinity.

I put solar panels on my roof, I bought a much more economical car... and if it's yellow... I let it mellow!... does all that mean I can still drink Makers Mark without feeling guilty?... I promise to recycle the empty bottles and not to mix it with coke.

It's very upsetting to see makers mark and bookers and bakers are all under there...

Oh well, good excuse to drink woodford reserve....

I saw a bumper sticker today that had a whale on it and said "Save the humans." People fail to realize that when people talk about saving the planet, they really mean: let's keep this world livable. People can go on and on with their absurd idea that people don't really have an effect on this planet, but it is like saying the world is flat. The sheer number of people on this planet has changed that. No rain drop ever thinks it caused the flood. There is nary a habitat on this planet without humans on it. Living in California, I see a lot of people that do not realize that they are a part of the flood. In the 13 years I have been in the marine industry, I have seen a lot of changes to what chemicals can be sold here. People always complain that this chemical or that chemical can not be bought here, and they think that the very little that they use can not have an effect. Then I remind them that they live in crowded California, and that the little they use, plus the little that another 10,000 boaters use, adds up to a lot. And it does have an effect. Are the problems our waterways facing caused by those boaters, mostly no. Brake dust is probably the biggest polluter these days. But we don't need to compound the issue with more noxious chemicals.

Most mornings when I take the dog for a walk I end up with a bottle or two in my hands which I drop in a bin. Maybe it because I'm not pissed or drugged that I can see the bins easily, (although I have been known to have a mans look when I look in the pantry for stuff).

Now we have a McDonalds store just up the road, and their litter gets dropped everywhere too. Can't believe how much of their stuff gets spread around the globe from lazies out there. I have three kids, and whenever we go for a drivewe manage to fill up a bag and put it in a bin at our destination.

Our kids school is working hard on teaching the kids the right ways of doing things (virtues based learning they call it), but then you see the parents doing the opposite. What chance have their kids got. No respect for environment, or other people. Parties late at night.... Its all the same, just me, me, me. One of my boys got an award last year as he was reported by a member of the community for picking up litter at the local park, and getting upset that other peolpe didn't care about how clean/dirty it was.

Somehow its a right to smoke and chuck your butt out the window. Actually, I had a mate get charged for sticking his butt out the window once. All hot and sweaty. It stank some too, but that's a different matter. We did explain to him that it was not a way to win on to shielas. Lady copper was nice looking though. $50 fine for not wearing a seatbelt.

Oh EB, look what you've started. I'm turning into a sad, grumpy old man.

I would suggest you all work out what the purpose of a corporation is for. I'll give you a clue, shareholders =$.
If the board etc of a corporation fails in this duty by doing other things that are not in the interests of the above they can be punished by law.

Thats just nasty and uncalled for, you cant blame the problems of the world on drugs, most of the worlds problems are caused by people not on drugs and had they been, they probably would not have done what they did.
Nor are men as bad as that, i think you will find men find things quite easily and quite often have to find things for thier wives.

Yea sleepe, i dont know the exact wording, but its something like "a corporation must always do what is best for the corporation, anyone controlling the corporation is not allowed to do anything to bring harm to the corporation"
Thats the damn corporate law, australias law, not internal corporation governance, what chance do we have?

The biggest problem with all this is, do you really think the type of people that litter care about a 10c refund on a container? If they're too lazy to put it in the bin to start with 10c is not likely to change that.

They would be better off increasing the penalties for littering, and maybe fines aren't enough. Cummunity service picking up litter maybe?

And if it is the containers going to landfill that you're worried about, why can't we have recycle bins located together with rubbish bins like they have in Germany.

Define rubbish?

There is not enough education about the effects of pollution, it should be taught in our schools. People are stupid and lazy (sometimes I would put the IQ of a 'normal person' less than the ammonia levels on a cycled FT).

EB I would not disagree with that view: but that's why you do not have a hope of stopping Court cases like this.

Change the Constitution and the Corporations Act is about as likely as changing the Constitution etc on the bankers; OUR GOVERNMENT can't even get a Mining tax through never mind all the rest of it.

Those people are always going to litter... they're retarded... you can't change that!... but their litter WILL be picked up by someone else if it's worth while.

Years ago we crossed the Nullabor from Perth and from about Norseman we kept all our soft drink cans and bottles, along with other rubbish, in a bag in the car until we got to the first little wheatbelt town in SA. I can't remember the name of it, but there wasn't much there, a railyard, few silos, about 20, or 30 houses and a general store/servo. There were some kids about 10-12yo hanging out at the front of the store, when we threw our rubbish in the bin they all ran up and were diving through it grabbing all the bottles and cans out... I'd bet you'd be hard pressed finding any drink container litter in that town... not even those thrown in the street by the tards.