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Actually due to welfare and big govt, people have developed an "entitlement mentality" where they keep wanting more and more for free from the government (which means less for everyone else).

So I see libertarianism as reclaiming our sense of responsibility. No one is going to look after you so you have to do it yourself. (leaving out the charity debate)


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That is your answer to my post ??

Well isn't that exactly what I said... noone, even coporations has the right to "aggress"... harm.. another...


I never said it wasn't more than just a collective voice... it just said that it was a colective voice of the people...



Why not... and if this was to be true as part of Liberatarianism... them you would seem to be suggesting that government has no right to enact any laws...

Even as a "collective" representation of the "peoples voice"....

To extend your arguement further... then you would be saying that no collective voice had the right to enact any "laws"...

And as such... every individual would only have the right to make laws for themselves...



Would sound like anarchy... and probably a lot of individuals running a round with torches.. to me...

They wouldn't be a mob... if they were all Liberatarians.... just a bunch of enlightened individuals....

Ahh, I now see the point you are trying to make.
Sure a collective voice of the people could make laws that the people chose to live by.
The problem arises when the collective voice of some(or most) people impose a law over other people that don't wish to have that law.
Libertarianism has no problem with Rupe setting up is own communist part of society as long as it is voluntary, EB setting up his voluntary utopia, and SV setting up his libertarian part.
The point is it must be voluntary
The only laws in a libertarian society are along the lines of non agression principle. And of course contract law (because contract is a transfer of property) Tax is aggression because property is taken without consent. Taking someones property to put a train line in (for the good of some) is aggression against their property. Punching someone in the face is also aggression against their property.
I (as an individual) have no choice in government. My vote will never (for all intents and purposes) make any difference as to who governs my country. I have no choice, and no blame (again, as an individual) in the nature of the current government.

If it complies with the above basic rules then yes. But I don't know how that helps you or anyone. People inherently need each other for the advantage of the division of labour and so social laws will always arise (you are a compulsive liar so you will have a bad reputation and have no friends..etc)



See above, it is really not in anyones best interests to do this. Instead of govt cops, you just have private ones..

Just a bunch of guys sitting around debating on forums?

So here we are in happy Libertarian utopia...

Tommie was born without legs, and is wheelchair bound.... half of the community hates him because he's a compulsive liar... the other half because he's black...

One day Tommie falls out of his wheelchair after running over a gold nugget on his property....

The rest of the community rock up and start digging for gold....

Tommie protests... reminding them of their Libertarian values....

Half the community tells him to "piss off ya lying bugger"... the other half to "piss of ya black bastard"....

Tommie protests further... and they push him, wheelchair and all... into the river...

A few weeks later... the people that were related to Tommie... claim that his land, and any gold is theirs....

The rest of the community says "bullocks"... and draws their individually legally decreed guns.. and opens fire...

The relatives draw their individually decreed guns... and fire back....

RupertofOZ
Good God! where did this come from?
This is the reason I always recommend to kids, do not use hard drugs!

ha ha ha h ah hhha

Did you make that up on the fly Roz?

Im impressed... even for you.




p.s. this thread stinks and is very frustrating.... I hope it ends or I loose my eyesite, whichever comes first.

I thought rupes post was the most interesting out of these 22!!!!!!!!!!!! pages of absolute dribble



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I was once young and stupid, i'm not so young now

When you are a wheelchair bound minority, what else are you going to do with your time. The lies part was just practice for his novel. But because he had no ability to do any work in his village, he could not afford a typewriter to type his manuscript on. It was going to be the next I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings and I am very disappointed that I will not ever be able to read this masterpiece! We will be holding a candlelight vigil for Tommy on Thursday.

So in 22 pages, I'm not sure the obvious question has been asked. Can we get a show of hands of people that consider themselves Environmentalists? Because I have a strong feeling that calling environmentalists bad here is a lot like calling African Americans bad in a Southern Baptist church.

I'll start by raising my hand, yes, I am a Watermelon, I mean Environmentalist.

Watermelon is yummy...

Don't know... but I sure as hell don't want to be the one in the wheelchair in Liberatarian Utopia...

You just can't trust that the rest of the bastards are gunna keep the Liberatarian faith....

I'm a bannana. Yellow on the outside, white in the middle.

I did mention "(charity aside)" for the reason that it is a different debate, which I would like to go into later. Is it possible to address the issues I spent all that time writing about regarding junk food and fat people and maybe the validity of property rights ?
Jumping around with addressing specific issues is pointless

EDIT: I do appreciate your story Rupe

Good post EB!!!









Wait

I agree, If I had seen the political party poll before I made the first post I woudn't have made that first post. I would have brought up the issue, but certainly not like that.
So I do apologise for any offence caused...my bad

Just a cherrypick comment from a topic at the start of the thread.

I only give to charity where I can get a receipt. My effective tax rate is about 35%

If the taxes were lowered, as they have since 2000, I give less to charity.

When the top tax bracket was 60k, I gave more to charity than now when the top bracket is 180k.