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I just think its sad that the US government would fly a plane/s into a building/s to try and get their countries backing for a war that need'nt have been....

What? Are you for real?

I was going to ask the same thing.

Break out the Tin Foil Hats




911 was a very sad day for humanity

For the record, its not the first time the CIA has suggested such a thing..................1962.............cuba............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

I would argue that the CIA suggested no such thing. I don't think even the tin foil hatters would have you believe that 4000 people didin't actually die. The article you linked to talks about staging stuff not killing their own people (one bit does suggest that but it was revised as it "would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using an unmanned ship and fake funerals instead.")
That page does link to the 911 conspiracies page which is one of the most comprehensive wikipedia pages I have seen. I image the tin foil hatters and pro-bush administration right wingers edit that one all day long to try and get what they want to see.

It's called "trolling" people Made me laugh because it was a direct response to steve's post. I appreciate irony

Who said anything about 4000 people not dieing?
And obviously no-one is suggesting two planes didn't impact the towers.

There seems to be a fair amount of "inconsistencies" with the actual collapse of the towers though

The article you linked to did not say the CIA had considered mass murder of Americans. I am saying clearly mass murder was committed so therefore

is a stretch. What they previously suggested was a different thing.

A few inconsistencies with the lunar landing also

not wanting to be flamed either--
I do however feel that with all the listening devices and stuff I find it hard to imagine how the conspiritors were able to get away with the hijackings of 4 planes, with out the knowlege of the powerful US Gov looking over their shoulders.
Just as a matter of interest how many planes have been hijacked in the US since the '70's and 80's?
Well I don't remember any, but I don't live there!

However some very mean acts have been played out on a countries civilians by the gov's- for example atomic testing- we have had Maralinga
http://allshookup.org/quakes/atomic.htm and the Monte bello islands off our coast, this was all done in the name of goodness, progress etc.
I am lead to believe these tests http://www.radiochemistry.org/history/n ... ndex.shtml were done on US soil. Oh also for goodness, progress etc.
There was even one called Greenhouse in 1951.
So please don't think we are not in some way implicated in this by allowing 'our ' goverments to continue.
And further US used sailors for experiments with nerve and other agents
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9649C8B63

I would be diappointed to find in a few decades that hijackings were let slip thru the cracks to enable whole slaughter of humanity.
A typical Machiavellian style is for a Gov to inflict it's will and deny any knowlege!

I cried when I saw the disgusting loss of life in those attack and it is also
disgusting to see the WMD used as an excuse to bomb the crap out of a country that has large reserves of oil!

I trust I am completely wrong in thinking this way!

First of all I,d like to say,

I love the Aquaponics site and it,s principles,as for my own system, I will post pictures of it soon.

But I must say,I,m sick of Americans browbashing people into thinking violence leads to resolvement of differences.

Well said Rupert,you are a decent man with an altruist spirit.

But I fear your wasting your time trying to pacify the American psyche.

The US resolves differences with violence full stop.

You only have to look at the death,s by firearms stats in the US.

No one seems to be interested in the possible reasons for the conflict

in the Middle East.

For eg.Nelson Mandela publicly anounced that he felt the situation in

Israel was worse than

apartheid at it,s peak.

This issue he said needs to be addressed by the UN immediately.

Seconded by Desmond Tutu.
(This was a decade ago)

I,ve been wondering and waiting for the Arab Muslim people to finally

stand up to the demeening and suppressive US. Israeli policies inflicted upon them.

Jews throughout the world are speaking out in protest against Israel,s treatment of the Palestinian people.

This is the festering wound that needs to be addressed.

All Arab and Muslim people are watching this and are deeply wounded by the treatment of their fellow Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters,would,nt you be!.

Sixteen checkpoints to travel 10 miles to work, day in day out, just imagine if any of you had to do that in 40c degrees plus..
I,ve read it can take a Palestinian person 3 hours to travel ten miles.

The Israelis have been bulldozing peoples homes long before suicide bombs.Tera Nulias is alive and well in Israel.

According to the United Nations Israel does,nt exist,It is deemed an "illegal occupation",Israel seems to have the same attitude to resolving issues as the US does , "Violence"

How could anyone possibly condone the strenghthening of Israels armoury,, only the worlds major weapons maker, Americans.

Israel would be impotent without US backing,they would no doubt have to learn how to get on with their neighbours non violently,or perish.

I believe every situation can be resolved by non violence,why?
because I would rather be killed than kill another person.
And I believe if put to the test most of you would be the same.

Twenty years ago while residing in NY I was asked by friends to visit the
twin towers and because I dont use the TV as my source of information
(I dont have one, which has forced me to look deeper and further)I refused to enter the buildings.

I had read there were certain goings on in there that were unethical to say the least.

I had read the CIA had it,s headquarters up there,not commonly known to the public(then again the US public know very little of their govt,s activities.)
I also knew that the theft of the third world,s resourses were wheeled and dealed up there and sold on for hundreds of times the price paid.
That place was the manifestation of "Profits above People"

I am not a capitalist nor am I a socialist I,m an equalist I believe the only way humans can live in harmony is to respect each others equality.
(That is what I like most about this site, the sharing of Ideas and caring for others projects this is clearly equalism to me)

The twin towers were not a monument to equalism,more like a monument to plunderism ,so good riddens as far as I,m concerned.

I only wish it had been turned into a shelter for the poor and homeless.

As for the loss of lives I am deeply saddened but America was at war "then" whether the people knew it or not.

When the US alligned itself with Israeli policy, in the eyes of the Arab and Muslim world it was war.

When the US forced sanctions on the people of Iraq, which according to the "Lancet" killed more than a million people it was an action of war on tne Arab muslim world.

WE know every name of every person killed in the twin towers but we dont know one name of any of the Iraqi innocents killed due to sanctions,It seems Iraqi blood is not equal to western blood.

We knew the names of every Israeli soldier killed at the time of the attack against Lebanon but not one name of the dead Lebanese innocents ,this is not equal.

The engine room of the US is driven by a cocophony of undesirable practices (conflict of interest, WMD mass production, corruption in every aspect of business, Fear and Smear campaigns etc etc)
The US economy is underpinned by the sale of weapons.On the 30 July
this year your country sold
20 Billion us dollars of weapons to the Egyptians with a further 13 billion pledged,the US gives to Israel 4 billion in weapons each year.
how can this help peace in the middle east.It,s MAD ness.

And you wonder why the people of the world dont like America.

Who knows maybe a peacemaker a mediator a wordsmith an equalist a comunicator will come forth in US politics,sadly I dont think the US can handle a Gandhi or Mandela yet.

Mandella after spending 26 years in Jail,upon release the words on his tongue were" Forgiveness and Reconciliation",these words will allways assure against a holocaust.

On the other hand the word on George Bush,s tongue after 9 11 was "retribution" this word will allways assure a long period of hell.

Many say the US has the political leaders it deserves.

I have lived and worked in the US ,but there has come a time when I cant take any more of your violent words or actions.
If you want to be liked and respected by the world,s people take the violence off your tongue, think of Mandela.

There are many more pressing issues for humanity that need to be addressed other than attacking each others culture, we all know what these issues are that,s what drew us to this site in the first place.
Peace.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato.

Mmm...!

yes i am for real, i think it IS sad....and btw...it was american ppl that made the doco pointing out all the details that pointed to the US government doing it...why is that so hard to believe? you telling me a government would not do that sort of thing?

and im not disagreeing with that either btw, in anyones country, it is very sad.......im not a tin foil hatter either, i think its sad that people want to think their government is doing the right thing by their country and cant possibly grasp the notion that their government is capable of any atrocities, i would call that ignorant

Vince - It is easy to be paint all Americans as violent and part of a "gun cluture", but please refrain from doing so without at least citing historical and cultural references.

I love Australia, have been there several times. I love the people I have met when I was a Navy sailor. I mean no disrespect and I would make note of the millions of Australian soldiers and sailors who gave thier lives to protect your country and the Allied effort during WWII. My grandfather served right beside some of your finest. He too paid the ultimate price for freedom. For that, I received free beer in a pub in Perth while visiting. War is not the answer, but neither is pacifism.

I'm no more or less violent than you. However, I understand the need to protect freedom, and the cost that comes with it. If it weren't for the ugly truth of Nagasaki, or the great naval batttles of the South Pacific perhaps your country would be overrun by Japanese 60 years ago? I would like to think you would have prevailed, but the Axis was powerful and could not be done without a fight, a fight that involved many of the "Americans" you deem violent.

I'm not sure what YOU would have done with the 150,0000 refugees post WWII, but they needed to go somewhere, and certainly I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to live in Europe anymore. America absorbed more than half of migrant jews, the rest relocated to Palestine, sorry if that offends you. The rest is history.

Who America choses to support in that conflict was pretty much set in stone from the beginning, but we tried to establish peace (remember Camp David?) before extremists killed Sadat.

Maybe the USA should stop trying to resolve everyone elses issues. Personally, I would not want my child in harm's way for the sake of oil. But if it meant preserving our way of life, I would be right there beside him. Causes and conflicts nowadays get very fuzzy so we all have to be careful making generalized statements. It's easy to crticize when it doesn't affect you, or does it?