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BK, your posts do nothing to aid sensible debate.... If you can't keep from personal slander, try a less emotive topic please. :)


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PostPosted: Jan 31st, '09, 09:34 
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BK, your posts do nothing to aid sensible debate.... If you can't keep from personal slander, try a less emotive topic please. :)


ps big boy not all my posts were senseless and slanderous thankyou and it wasnt alone either :) so no need to single me out man


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Religion was a useful tool to control the masses until Law and order could be enforced


OMG, you kidding right? Have you really taken a look at where all law and governments are headed?


An example of the law and order being enforced. :(

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Text of H.R. 645: To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military...

HR 645 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 645

To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2009

Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL

To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.

(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be--

(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;

(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;

(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;

(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;

(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;

(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:

(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and

(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and

(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.

(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.

(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.

(g) Reports-

(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--

(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;

(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;

(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;

(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and

(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).

(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--

(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);

(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site--

(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.

This Act does not affect--

(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or

(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act, the following definitions apply:

(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term ‘closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:

(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.

(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.

(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.

(2) EMERGENCY- The term ‘emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term ‘major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term ‘military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).


Research Intragard..... liason between the authorities and business owners.... given the power to shoot in the event of military law being declared. How would such a political status be intstituted? Just need another terrorist incident on the scale of 9/11


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Martial law ever in America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrypChFrcSk&NR=1

How to get the Christians co-operative? Use Pastors. Certain Pastors will willingly co-operate with the authorities. Great discernment needed. The Bible speaks of the Great Apostasy. Many who claim to be believers will turn when the pressure increases.

Alex Jones on FEMA camps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeRnTr1V ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRF0_nBU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_UeDyo ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKU58t85b4g


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Fema Camps HR 645

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0TgOaA ... re=related


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Fema Pastors.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgfihRJe ... re=related
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That has nothing to do with my quote. The point i was making is that religion has been manipulated by people in power for their own purposes and now that government and big business do that religion is less of a tool. How many times has your bible been re-edited?


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PostPosted: Jan 31st, '09, 17:58 
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I went over to my dads shed and he keeps the radio on so people think someone is there. And its a christian radio station and there telling a bible story. Then I reaslise that the story was never in the bible. :shock: But it had a good moral so I spose it is okay. But is it. I like the older versions of the bible. I would love to have read the first one. How different would it be to todays.(Taking into account the langauge that its written in)


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So much debate about that Duff. Some will only use the orginal Geneva Bible. Some the King James Version. Some other versions are "copyrighted" implying that significant changes have been made. When going for the origninal Greek Text I have heard it said that the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament is the most accurate. This is the Greek New Testament that the King James Version is translated from. For scholarly study the KJV seems the common choice for the layman.

Like everything in life... those who really want to understand something will search it out and not just skim in general terms. I have seen the power of God operate powerfully when standing on a particular promise in the Scriptures..... dramatically in physical healing at times.


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That has nothing to do with my quote. The point i was making is that religion has been manipulated by people in power for their own purposes and now that government and big business do that religion is less of a tool. How many times has your bible been re-edited?

There was no disagreement FF. My postings were to show that government will again be using religion in the future to manipulate the people. Christians who are not awake will be caught in the system by Pasotrs who have sold out.


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PostPosted: Jan 31st, '09, 20:44 
Of all the totally unremarkable acts to highlight Cyara... in itself, seemingly inocuous... other than the clause relating to "such other reasons as deemed necessary"...

And might that include "temporary" detention centres.... of course.... but it only legitimises what already occurs anyway.... look at the razor wire enclosures that are set up during G8 protests etc....

And shot to kill during "martial law".... been in existance for decades.... right of business owners to protect their premises from looters during unrest.... maybe not legitimised before, but accepted practise....

Why not examine something outrightly outrageous... like the patriot act....

And the use of the "church" to placate the populous.... of course... been done for centuries...

And the "church" has been either a willing ally or accomplace throughout the history of Christianity... indeed even driven "nation/state" events....

It is one of the fundamental reasons why I can not and will not participate in the "christian" religion....

And on the question of "fundamentalists".... the evalgelical vote was responsible for the election of GWB... and endorsed and gave sanction to the most extreme of it's policies...

Do you think it is merely coincidence that the rise to power of madman and the criminally insane mirrors a rise in fundamental evangelical "redneck" fervour...

Even the Nazis enjoyed at least tacit approval from the church in the 1930-1940's... as high up as the Pope...

Am I surprised... not in the least...

The fundamental concepts and desires to control the populous are never far from the surface of religious and political ideology...

Your belief in "God" may be defensible Cyara... your acceptance and endorsement of the "bible" and Christianity as part of a search for truth is not... IMO

I f those things you quote, lead you to exhibit them as proof of the existance and prophecy of the rise of an anti-christ....

Then I say.... modern Christianity and the Church, or at least major sections, and major sects of it... are part and parcel of that same very concerted push in such a direction


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Rupe.... context and deeper study are essential to critiical analysis.

You have failed to convince me to think differently. Instead I see your shallow knowledge of the subject of Christianity and the Bible time and again.

No wish to wrangle with such.

Agree to disagree.


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Fema camps and coaching for Martial Law is unremarkable? Astonishing perspective Rupe.


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PostPosted: Jan 31st, '09, 21:59 
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Rupe.... context and deeper study are essential to critiical analysis.

You have failed to convince me to think differently. Instead I see your shallow knowledge of the subject of Christianity and the Bible time and again.

No wish to wrangle with such.

Agree to disagree.


Oh... now that hurts Cyara.....

I have extensively examined the "bible" in it's myriad of incarnations... the quoran... the hebrew bible (at least a translation of)... works of Buddism, Shintoism, Zen, Tao, Torah, Shintoism etc etc...

And extensively studied the history of cultures from Eyptian through Greek, Roman, Arabic, Indian, Tibetan, Chinese, Japanese, Polynesian, Maori, and Aborigine....

You, on the other hand I suspect have merely examined a "version" of a translation of one of the many edits of a "western" "bible"... particularly the collection of ghost written, amended, edited, supplemented, revised, politically corrected, ..... "New Testaments"...

And obviously without any real grasp of ancient history... that IMO is glaringly obvious from your superficial and often historically inaccurate limited caucasion perspective of "religion" and "god"....

When you have "sought", examined and critqued such matters.... over as long a period as I have Cyara..... rather than just grasped and believed....

Then ... level constructive critism at me if you wish... rather than that of cloying "belief....

And I'll answer and rebut you ... and if need be agree with you...

But sorry... at this point in time ... i do not respect that your "journey" is based more on examination than on "need" and acceptance to fulfil that need within yourself...


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