Backyard Aquaponics
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mmm... I agree, but was the 70's far back enough.
Considering we have the answers to most everything, apparently

When will the multinationals have enough--not until we tell them...
not only do they have you working for peanuts you buy all their stuff and the circle continues...

create a line of work thru your local community and you find your cost reduce and your spare time increase....

if any one has not watched "end of suburbia" and then followed it up with "the power of community" then DO IT

The first one is the dooms day one, and the second one is the light at the end of the tunnel (just a differnt colour of light than we are used to )

not yet steve but if you insist..
soon-but whats the gist?

first one is about peak oil, the fallacies of "alternative energy" and why they can never meet our current demand bit of history on peak oil. very good.

second one is about CUBA, and how they have withstood an artificial peak oil and how they have adapted. is good because it gives a what will be and what will need to be picture that is historical fact, not speculation.

Read an article on the Cuban experience, very interesting... I just went and ordered the DVD....

End of suburbia really opened my eyes to things I never knew, and never thought about... Then of course there's "who killed the electric car" which follows on nicely from the end of suburbia..

Bringing up an old topic (again ), but I'm really keen to watch the doco on Cuban peak oil. I bought it a while ago, but haven't been in the right mindset to watch it... I have to watch it when i'm feeling positive, not negative!

I love this place, why haven't I been here much recently?! someone hit me over the head..!

hammer over head

will those do?

hammer, hit knock!

PK, where HAVE you been?

IMO power community will chear you up anyway, its a story of triumph! thats why its good to watch it after end of suburbia........you kind of need a pick-up

hehehe a pitty it has to be said in jest eh steve

Very thought provoking thread. I just stayed up too late (again) and read all 14 pages of it.

I have a few thoughts which I'm too lazy to substantiate unless someone is really interested.

I'm not so worried about Peak Oil as I am about Peak stupidity. Some discussion a few pages back about stupid people outbreeding the smart ones. I think kids learn more from their parents than they do from their teachers. (with all due respect to teachers. Both of my parents were school teachers. My sister, my wife, and parents-in-law teachers too.)

A teacher might be able to impart 2+2 and "i before e except after c..." but parents impart values. We've chosen to homeschool for now. My wife was so worried about school time and lesson plans..... I told her -- learning how to listen, understand and obey and sit still are more important than being able to read or add. I work with people who cannot focus long enough to finish a sentence, much less listen and take direction. Spelling? Math? Ha!
And personally I think it's more important that my children grow up with values than knowledge. What good is knowing the trinomial equation, trig, calculus, perfect grammar, perfect spelling -- if my children become drug addicts, alcoholics, and single parents as teens?

Frankly I think the academic system -- at least in the USA -- has focussed too much on teaching children "what to think" rather than "how to think." And Politicians -- being mostly lawyers -- think somehow that the right words will correct any problem. Unfortunately, laws only affect the law- abiding (not usually big corporations) That means that the creativity of honest people is being confined. It seems that the effect of government(whether intentioned or not) is to stiffle innovation.

I won't get started on medicine.
And I don't have the energy to start on my views about agriculture. But that's why I'm here -- to walk the walk.

Oh and one other thing. I read an interesting article about deep well oil drilling. Some texas oil prof came to the conclusion that oil doesn't come from decaying organic material but rather from the earth's core. (sorry it's late and I'm trying to summarize -- a Google search should bring up the info) And he postulated that oil is being produced everywhere and can be accessed if a well is drilled deeply enough. He was laughed to scorn in the US but the Soviets hired him as a consultant. To summarize, Russia is now the second or third largest producer of oil. Most of their wells are deep -- and in places where US geologists thought no oil existed. (I'll try to dig up the article if anyone is interested)

I get really disgusted with environmentalist agendas. Just because I'm pretty sure they're just being used as "sheeps' clothes" by really evil greedy people who only care about themselves. I didn't vote for Gore because he "baaed" like a sheep but smelled like a wolf. (I didn't vote for Bush either)
I'm actually rather cynical of the whole "democracy" business. I think the president or PM is little more than a puppet. If an election is important, Media moguls twist, withhold, and distort the truth such that the majority are herded like dumb sheep to be shorn. And many people are more concerned with what others think than forming their own opinions.

One last thought for the night: I think the oil companies are afraid of letting oil prices rise too much. They saw the huge surge in research into alternate energy with the 70's energy crunch. Now with the Internet and other communication technologies, information flows much more quickly. Some diehards are still researching alternate energy sources. And who knows what technology might surface if enough people got roused from their complacency.

Sorry for the long post. I don't have all the answers. I don't even know all the questions. I'll be the first to admit that I'm confused -- but at least I acknowledge that the news media is a source of calculated disinformation.

emsjoflo (we really need to shorten that )

sounds like you needed a good "vent". cool. You bring up some valid points that i agree with and some others that are good brain food.

Steve surely ems is it ...
C1

Abiotic oil is a myth, Russian production levels have merely risen to the point where they are marginally below where they were before the fall of the USSR. The disruption this caused meant production levels declined considerably...so while they have risen over recent years, it is only back to near Soviet era levels - it has nothing whatsoever to do with non-existent abiotic oil.

Like the US Lower 45 producers, Russian production levels have already peaked. Though they do have considerable reserves in both oil and natural gas, their production per annum will never exceed what they have already achieved.

hey jez, its been a while................u been lurkin?

Steve, where you find the power of community, can't find it anywhere.
did see end of surburbia - wow what a downer