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First time out with his new 12guage? lol
https://youtu.be/HXfg5o1ZVq4

Now this is one good argument for official gun control..

And perhaps it is metaphorically reflecting the main reason for a controlled need..
IF you have one, you may find yourself using it wrongly, and with devastating results, that are later regret..


I am curious about the claimed benefits and statistics in Australia and would like to believe there is a serious decrease in. "Violence" deaths .. ie.. the opportunistic. "I saw red and picked up the rifle and bang" and now too late..
Or.. have those violence incidences been hurried under other headings.
I do recognise that pulling the trigger on a.shot gun will be likely final, but a manic swing with a cricket bat may not be final ..
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I think that I am generally happy with the Australian Laws, but lament handing my gun in, as it would never have caused a problem, and would have been acceptable now.

But... would it be like the fishing rod.. something that sits there waiting for me to find the time to use it, and a temptation to a badie to want to take it for BAD reasons.
(And was there not a past incident where the gun-registrations data base was hacked)

PS.. watching some of those vids! Makes you wonder.. if sane people act like that and have those accidents with guns, then maybe i change my mind.. to see people encouraging crony children to use a gun would see them picking it up as a toy, and clearly many folk fail to understand Darwinism..

There has been a significant decrease, which is why the laws are being discussed in the US. The results are clear, but the gun lobby cherry picks to distort things.

"While the impact of the Australian gun laws is still debated, there have been large decreases in the number of firearm suicides and the number of firearm homicides in Australia. Homicide rates in Australia are only 1.2 per 100,000 people, with less than 15% of these resulting from firearms.

Prior to the implementation of the gun laws, 112 people were killed in 11 mass shootings. Since the implementation of the gun laws, no comparable gun massacres have occurred in Australia."

http://theconversation.com/faking-waves ... tats-11678

I really apologise for arguing the point with you again but there is a strange inconsistency in that article, which is ironically about misusing data on firearm crime to further a political agenda.
Just before the section that you quote it states -
"In the wake of the Port Arthur massacre and Monash University shootings, the conservative government of John Howard introduced a series of gun laws."

Firstly, the Monash University shooting occurred in 2002, well after the 'new' firearms legislation. Perhaps that was a simple typo and they meant to mention an earlier event?
but
Secondly, it makes a mockery of their other claim which you quoted - "Since the implementation of the gun laws, no comparable gun massacres have occurred in Australia.".
Twisting the facts once again as all sides in any partisan political debate are wont to do. (I mean the article mate, not you )

Again I will state that I do agree, by and large, with our legislation.
But the discussion I hear and see on the media regarding the topic does my head in most of the time and is dominated by those with little knowledge or experience with firearms who enjoy trying to take the moral high ground.

From where I sit, often the critical failure prior to these events falls on the judicial system for allowing dangerous lunatics out on parole and the health system for allowing dangerous lunatics to roam and I have serious concerns over the number of murderers who either are or have recently been prescribed psychoactive pharmaceuticals.

Has the question been asked how many of the culprits of these crimes are prescribed certain medications?
Years ago I noticed a disturbing trend where someone, for instance - a loving Grandfather, kills his entire family and is described after the fact by shocked people as a loving and gentle man. Who had been feeling a bit sad and was prescribed medications which include potential homicidal ideation as listed side effects immediately prior to the murders of adult children and grandchildren.
THIS, I fear, is the elephant in the room.

The problem is, a lot of those who have experience are either beer swilling bogans or country folk / hunters who believe everything but thier sheep should be killed, i wouldnt trust either as far as i could throw them, i have found most hunters and country folk who like guns to be very ignorant, they believe things like "we need to keep thier numbers under control", when what they are doing by shooting the animals is the exact opposite, they are doing nothing but weakening the species and are a detriment to society and the environment, doing no good for anyone or anything.

dont start me on bogans with guns.....


The other concern i have is that instead of locking up the guns, you feel we should lock up the people.
You realise that many people every day are misdiagnosed?
in essense.... there are many dangerous people walking around who should not get guns..... there are many sane people locked up for no reason, how would you stop this? how would you get the psychos behind bars? how could you tell the sane ones are not insane?

what if someone is non violently insane? would you lock them up?

why not just not let them have a gun? isnt that easier?

once you get into that part of the system, it can be extremely hard to prove that you are fine, governments dont simply treat people as "normal" again once there has been a suspicion and people with attitudes like yours are the reason people can be locked up forever for no reason, it ruins lives and families, more lives and families than gun crimes.

The medication part is also quite valid, however if the person was depressed or had mental issues, there is a chance they were going to do it with or without the medication.

That's what you took from that?
All good Sleepe,
Generally most shooters are dropping foxes, pigs, cats and other introduced pests and aren't trying to strengthen the herd at all. And that's all still a distraction from any real argument, hunting is a legal activity and someone disliking it doesn't hold any water with me at all.
I dislike bogans with guns too though, don't get me wrong. I'm just a fella who is into personal liberties and dislikes excessive or invasive legislation and others who hold contradictory interests to me trying to limit my personal recreation.
A good example being that I think closing a road for a rotten triathalon should never happen but I will not push my views onto the wider community.
I don't shoot and do not hold a licence, nor do I possess or own any firearms.
However, I respect the right of others to pursue their sporting interests as long as they are law abiding.
And I hope the community returns the favour to me.

The part about the mentally unwell, someone like (mad)Man Haron who had been charged in connection with his ex partner being murdered and set on fire should definitely have been in custody.
And you are right, I'm not a fan of forcibly locking up psychiatric patients as was the procedure in our darker history.
That was an overstatement on my part, my problem is with prescription drugs which have Homicidal Ideation as a listed side effect being prescribed to people who are simply sad.
History will look back on this as we look back on thalidomide.

Im assuming you are talking of SSRIs.

Its funny, in an ironic way, i am pretty much anti-gun, simply because most people dont need one for any reason, but in a case like that i wish we had world class snipers, he simply should have been shot in the head within minutes of police arriving on scene.

"All good Sleepe, "

How come I got dragged into this? I never usually write long posts and am still pissed off they took my little brno away, and I don't usually agree with Yav; or anyone for that matter.

lol sleepe, its ok, usually no one agrees with me. :wacko:

Sorry Sleepe, looks like I was talking to Yavi.
oops!

sorry i totally missed this, i didnt scoll back up.

im with you on the "dont add more laws" thing, etc.
however i am anti hunting, mostly because hunters are coward pieces of shit, simple as that, ignorant and cowardly, have less bravery than a 5 yr old girl most of them.

If they had some guts and hunted animals only for food, only when needed and only ever with bare hands, then i would have total respect for them, but they are cowards, all of them.

I am for the erradication of foreign species here, i am not a carebear, however the arguments that get put forward by gun owners are ALWAYS stupid.
i mostly hear it from american hunters, "we have to keep the deer population in check, they will die of hunger if we dont"..... but they only shoot the strongest that they can find, not the sickest/ weakest.

Australians do the same thing with kangaroos, "we need a cull, there are too many"..... no! if *frack* gun owners hadnt killed all the dingoes, etc, then there wouldnt be a kangaroo problem.... if the forests werent cut down for grazing /farming land (90% of which isnt even used), there wouldnt be a problem....


i could go on and on about what idiots they are, most gun owners, not because guns are inherently bad and not because country people are stupid, etc (i dream of being in the country surrounded by nice country people), but because most people who believe in guns have been brought up by ignorant gun owners who love to kill anything they see and they continue the tradition.

But you're thinking that hunting is about bravery.
It isn't, if someone wanted to prove their bravery by hunting I would not want that person to have any access to firearms.
Fishing is hunting too.
Should fishermen prove themselves to others by fishing with tooth and nail?
If you understand why people fish then you also understand why people hunt.
It is biologically correct behaviour and the right of a human, as any animal.

The same reason we grow fish and grow plants.
PETA would think that farming fish, even only ornamentals to produce fertiliser is abhorrent and fish slavery. I kid you not.
Why is your outrage more worthy than theirs?