Backyard Aquaponics
A place to discuss aquaponics

Makes it somewhat pointless. Controlled for the controllers....

Best seed bank is to keep growing and hope for the best.

If I went through that much trouble, or by necessity, to find the seed vault there would be nothing that could keep me out. Most likely it will already have been 'sacked' before I could get there.

http://tvrage.com/shows/id-22514

"Future Earth" a four-part series on the environment, premieres April 26 at 10 p.m. ET/PT on MSNBC. In "Future Earth: Journey to the End of the World" find out why Earth's climate machine — the North Pole — is melting alarmingly fast. Learn about our planet's future, and how you can stop its decline.

Source: http://www.nbc.com/id/29840099/

There's climate change, granted, but I'm not buying into their propaganda. If anything there will be another mini ice age cometh when the gulf stream shuts down from poles/glaciers melt.

Biofuel loses fight with California pollution regulators
The biofuel industry has lost its battle against California regulators over rules aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions from various fuels, including corn-based ethanol.
The California Air Resources Board (CARB) late Thursday approved the controversial Low Carbon Fuel Standard, which would force fuel producers to lower their “carbon intensity” of their products by 10 percent by 2020.
Makers of ethanol said the rating system unfairly ties their U.S.-made corn-based fuel to mass deforestation – not in the United States – but in developing nations. Ethanol critics say the entire biofuel industry should bear global responsibility for clearing of trees to make farmland to grow crops that will be used to make the fuel.
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/

If the government intitiutes carbon emission cap and trade, I wonder how well traditional agriculture will do? How much do you think our food will go up?

In the 80's Scientists were all over the news predicting that the Louisiana coastline would recede inland to Baton Rouge by the year 2000. It didn't happen. Over the last 100 years the Oceans rose on average 4-8". Wish I could get the scientific community to come up with a more accurate number they could agree on but what the hay they are not machinists, they don't have to be that Precise. Cleopatra has a palace under 30' of water. She didn't build it there I'm sure. Some math here instead of opinion. Let's say she built her Palace 10' above sea level and it's now 30 feet below. She built it 2040 years ago. So that’s 2040/480"= 8.5 years per inch or 11.7" per 100 years. Kind of looks like the ocean rise is slowing. But it is rising. During the Ice age the ocean levels were as much as 70 meters lower than today so...20,000 years.../ 70 meters converted to inches.
20,000/2,756"=7.25 years per inch or 13.8" per 100 years. Still looks like the ocean rise is slowing. But seriously as I heard on this forum before, it’s not about global warming, to quote Jamie "it’s like your mother said, if you make a mess, clean it up".
We do not have to nor should we be polluting. Lets do our own math we have brains, don't just quote articles that are heavily seasoned with opinions.
Global warming shouldn't be the reason we stop poisioning our food.
I do somewhat belive in global warming but everytime I do a little research on my own, I just find that the alarmists are either exaggerating or outright distorting the facts. Unbiased raw data is hard to find.

Spot on, BRB.

I realize my opinions are in the extreme minority in thinking that global warming is a good thing. Nor do I think people have much to do with it. However, I abhor waste and pollution. Given a fixed resource, we have to be part of a cycle so that we don't simply run out of whatever it is we need.

This alone makes me favor AP over run-to-waste hydroponics.

The entire system was built around cheap fossil fuel for virtually every product in use. To turn that upside down and stop our polluting ways will take more than the will of man to give up creature comforts. oil = agriculture, and in my eyes all the problems we created with it ain't going away until we learn to treat the earth better than a huge catbox that never gets emptied. The scale of change needed is hard to wrap one's mind around. It can be done but first you have to get everyone's undivided attention.

I don't know if anyone has seen "Spain; on the road again" with gwyneth paltrow and Mario (some cook guy). They'd travel to different spots in Spain and have food unique to each area. Talk about 'drool!' Everything is fresh, within a few hundred feet of where they were. From wine, to lobster and fresh fruit and vegetables. That seems to be THEE ideal to me. They have a saying that has become a new mantra for me. "It doesn't travel well." Meaning if you take to much time or space from where it is produced it loses it's 'magic' for lack of a better word. Loved watching that show.

Anyway, from what I read about past down times in the economy you really can't go wrong by making the best quality produce available. This is the first time I've tried growing organic. And I'm growing lettuce and tomatos, peppers and chilis as if there will be a truck strike this summer. I'm convinced for one reason or another shelves in grocery stores won't stay filled. I 'do' expect food prices to keep going up and up, along with the price of everything else.

And I have 2 food dehydrators that I'll use to tuck away and label as much food as I can. (wonder if I can use that on fish... hmmm)

sorry, I got carried away on a rant

Where did the idea come from that life is better and there is less effort to make a living by moving to a city and getting a job? Its nonsensical.

My grand parents who lived through the depression did not even know much had changed. They were raised by their grand parents (parents dead) so they were a generation backwards. When the depression was starving people who were trying to get work. They ate like kings and lived a calm full life on their 80 acre farm. Its the people who ran out and borrowed money for homes and cars who suffered. My grandparents did not need a loan or a job to pay for that loan to keep anything. They were not missing the boat of progress, they were not deprived, they were happy.

LOL!!!! The animation pretty much says it all... especially the YOU SUCK part on the TV ... better go buy this or that to make yourself acceptable! Is really the marketing message of today... got to be the same to fit in.... and you better have the newest and the latest....

Reminds me of the story I heard recently. A guy had a boat and fished till he had a full catch... pulled in to clean his nets and sort his catch. Enjoyed the sun.

Another guy comes up and asks him why he hasn't gone out again... the day is still young! Tells him he should do it and he can become rich!

The response... "And then?"

Well can then get a second boat and that can go out all day...

"And then?"

Then you must set up a processing plant to process all your own catch...

"And then?"

Then one day when you have made lots of money you can sell it all for a ton of money....

"And then?"

Well then you can sit back and enjoy life! That's what then!!!

"Hmmmmm..... Like I am doing now?"

Good story

Absolutely. 2 different issues.

And I agree Tamo... there are real benefits to Global warming. And while this cycle lasts be glad to benefit from it. I really do believe it will cycle back... history has shown that...

Here is an interesting article that says Global Warming Benefits May Exceed Risks
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/resu ... Risks.html

I for one prefer a warmer world. A few degrees warmer does little damage compared to a few degrees cooler. There are some things worth concerning ourselves about but this is one that is not. One guy I heard interviewed said that if you speak of Global warning you get financed... if you speak of Global Cooling no one backs you.... There is a Politico-Financial agenda here to the scare stories IMO

I wish I could believe that, Cyara, but where I live now, I also lived here as a teenager and I can see the changes for myself. For one thing, we had more Walnut trees that made a nice, cool micro-climate so we would only get the high humid heat of 100+ degree for a few days to a week and then it was tolerable the rest of the season. Now we get killer 100+ degree heat waves that lasts for three weeks solid and the plants still burn because they can't transpire fast enough to replace the water they lose and you don't even want to go outside because it is like a oven. Very seldom do we get humid summer days now, just the heat.
We are so dependent on our Sierra snow pack that it isn't even funny. When I was younger, the snow would last almost to August; as I type this today, the snow is almost gone. We have only hit a few days that were in the 90's so far so heat hasn't been the cause. For one thing, we had a light snow pack this year anyway but we had some heavy late Spring rains and I think that caused the rapid melting. We do have some reserviors to capture the run-off but not enough to catch the water required to meet the needs of everyone. Believe it or not, most of our little neighborhood parks are also water catchment basins for recharging the groundwater here. But every year the water table drops even more- and more and more farmers and cities are digging deeper wells.

And you can chose to believe or not, that is a personal choice but I do believe in the actions of Nature and the facts are- the birds are flying further North in the Spring, the coral is turning white and dying and ancient ice is melting and ice bridges crumbling.

Well where I live the highest averages are quite a bit lower than they have been for 20+ years. Natural cycles take a LONG time.

I hear the armadillo are working their way north. Also, more sightings of cougars and bears (oh my) than normal. Reminds me of a 70's movie "Frogs" where nature 'attacks.'