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PostPosted: Aug 20th, '10, 02:29 
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We're DOOMED !!!

from what I remember vaguely of a (really interesting) documentary about axial precession/ precession of the equinoxes, the mayan calendar "ends" cause the milky way at night would no longer touch the horizon ( their stairway / gate to heaven ) in 2012, based on their pretty damn accurate astronomy ( astrology ? ). but then it went on to say something about moving into a new astrological age of constellationy somethingerather ..

its on abc every couple years but now Im gonna hunt it down so I can watch it again

( also.... WE'RE DOOOOMED !! )


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PostPosted: Aug 20th, '10, 07:32 
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from what I remember vaguely of a (really interesting) documentary about axial precession/ precession of the equinoxes, the mayan calendar "ends" cause the milky way at night would no longer touch the horizon ( their stairway / gate to heaven ) in 2012, based on their pretty damn accurate astronomy ( astrology ? ). but then it went on to say something about moving into a new astrological age of constellationy somethingerather ..( also.... WE'RE DOOOOMED !! )

Interesting, I haven't heard the Mayan calander described as a gate to heaven, although I have heard that the planets are suppose to be all aligned in a row- can you say world Tsunami?? I can imagine that much gravitational pull would wreak havoc on all of the ocean's tides everywhere. I did find this though- it is a link to one of the actual Mayan sites that describes what will happen on that eventful day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortuguero_(Maya_site)

.....Most of the surviving monuments of Tortuguero come from the reign of B'alam Ajaw ("Jaguar Lord") who ruled from 644 to 679. These record several victories over nearby states and may indicate that both his father and son were named Ik' Muuy Muwahn.[3]
Monument 6 from Tortuguero is currently generating discussion as it includes the only known inscription depicting the end of the current 13-Bak'tun era in 2012.[4][5] Grube, Martin and Zender have stated[6] it refers to “the end of the 13th b’ahktun which we will see in the year 2012” and as to what will happen, they say, “…utom, “it will happen” (O4) followed by something that we cannot read (P4) and he “will descend” yem (O5). The last glyph begins with ta followed by something. However, this is not the end of the world.”
This happy interpretation is supported by Markus Eberl and Christian Prager. They identify the fragmentary word translated above as "descent" seems to be the same one used during building dedications. They also point to a panel on Temple XIV at Palenque, which shows that a positive event took place on July 29, 931,449 B.C.E. involving a vision serpent named Sak Baak Na' Chapat and his deity K'awiil, which was overseen by B'olon Yokte' K'uh.[7]
Gillespie and Joyce[8] and also Houston and Stuart[9] have concurred that the inscription on Monument 6 concerns the god(s) Bolon Yokte’ K’uh - specifically “…a calendrical event in the early 21st century AD, at which time, apparently, the god may 'descend'.” Stuart has recently given a more complete translation: “"The Thirteenth Bak'tun" will be finished (on) Four Ahaw, the Third of K'ank'in. ? will occur. (It will be) the descent(?) of the Nine Support (?) God(s) to the ?."[10] Gronemeyer gives an epigraphic analysis and calendrical reconstruction of Monument 6 in his Master’s thesis,[11] with illustrations.
Most recently, Gronemeyer and MacLeod[12] have scrutinized Monument 6 again and offer a new interpretation of the passage dealing with the 13-Bak'tun ending. According to them[13], the inscription announces the witnessing of the deity Bolon Yokte' K'uh who will publically displayed by the occasion of his investiture. By applying several linguistic and ethnographic parallels, this may happen by the enrobing and/or parading of an effigy of the said deity.

As far as being "doomed" on that day, I'll leave it up to you.


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Angie I didnt mean the calendar as a mayan "gate to heaven" - the documentary went a bit into their beliefs and said the milky way touching the horizon gave them a gateway to heaven/their ancestors/ gods whatever, but once the earth shifted that little bit because of precession at end of 2012 it no longer touches the horizon, thus shutting of their window into the heavens or something

it went on to explain a shift in astrological ages because of a different pole start alignment / different zodiac sign alignment

usually I turn off that kind of mystical crap but this documentary was a bit more explanatory and came up with some interesting points

now its just annoying me that I cant find it


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Maybe the Mayan's saw a big hunk of rock fly past earth and thought that was close. Then when they worked out the math thought bugger, next time it comes around it's going to hit us. :lol: I hope thats not what happened. :(



Nibiru is unrelated to the Mayans. Nancy Lieder changed the date of the collision to 2012 after she was wrong about it showing up in 2003 because 2012 is so popular.

Personally I think that the new messiah will be born on December 22nd 2012. It;'s a popular birthday for messiahs. However nobody will realize till the messiah has had a chance to grow up a bit.


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The Mayan calendar ends on Dec 22, 2012. A logical ending point if you ask me (Dec 22, not 2012). quote]


Actually, the Mayan calander ends on Dec 21, 2012 or Dec. 22,2012, which ever is considered winter solstice- the moment when the Earth's axial tilt is farthest away from the sun at its maximum of 23° 26'. (Gotta love Wiki.) As far as the Nibiru collision is concerned, the bible does mention a star called "Wormwood" in Revelations 8:11. I don't know about the aliens part- although angels and God could be considered ET's as they are not from Earth. But if you go with the bible interpretation, there are many other "signs" that are suppose to be fulfilled before Wormwood strikes the Earth. There are other Nibiru ideas such as the gravitational North-South pole reversal which is suppose to end civilization as well.
However, most scholars have suggested that the Mayan calander is based on cycles- each cycle larger than the previous one and the 2012 date finishes the largest cycle and re-sets the entire calander. For the Mayans, the Aztecs, and the Incas- the calander should have be set to an earlier end date- when the Spaniards landed on their shores- as they pretty much wiped out their cultures, their way of life and probably much of their history as only remenants of each of their cultures remain.

I do believe that most of us will know first hand what happens as it is only 1 1/2 years away. Although the hype does seem familar with the 1999 fear of the approaching dreaded Y2K issue, I really don't see our sociey continuing as it is now.



Always thought it was fun that Chernobyl is Russian for Wormwood.

Also, there was a cycle end that coincided with the arrival of the Europeans, that actually contributed to the fall of the Aztecs because they took Cortez to be an avatar of Quetzalcoatl (and perhaps he was) and they didn't resist him like they would have otherwise.


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Im with the whole ' crack a beer and see what happens' idea
2012 just seems lika yet another crackpot idea designed to make us freak the f&*^k out for no reason
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I am with the guys drinking beer, a damn good excuse for a piss up I think, did the same for the millennium bug and no planes fell out of the sky at midnight, much to our disappointment, and when we recovered the hangover next afternoon, we still used eftpos to get more money for more beer :dontknow:
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The driver was taking me from Melbourne airport into the city. As we chatted, it came out that he was deeply worried. He had a wife and child, and a new baby on the way - but what was the use of living, he cried, if the world would end in 2012 as predicted by the Mayan prophecies, when his new baby would be just four years old.

Prophecies about the end of the world (or at the very least, civilisation as we know it) have been around forever. There was a flurry of them around 2000 AD, and another bunch for 5 May 2005, when all the planets were supposed to line up. (By the way, they didn't line up and yep, we're still here.)

The Mayan civilisation covered the skinny bit of the Americas between North and South America, reaching from the southern states of Mexico down to western Honduras. Its Classic Period was from 250 to 900 AD, so their best years were behind them by the time of the Spanish invasion.

At their peak, the Mayans had the only mature written language ever found in the Americas, spectacular and densely populated cities, and very sophisticated systems of mathematics, astronomy and calendars.

They were marvelous astronomers, showing what could be done with the naked eye. Their measurements of the lunar month, the period of Venus and the year were more accurate than those of the Ancient Greeks.

Which brings us to the calendar that predicts the end of the world in 2012.

The Mayans had many calendars, because they saw 'time' as a meshing of sacred or spiritual cycles. So while our Gregorian calendar organises days for social, administrative and commercial purposes, the Mayan calendars added a religious element. For example, each day had a patron spirit, and so could be good for travel, but bad for business.

One of their several calendars was called the Long Count. It was set up around 355 BCE, and had as its chosen starting date 0.0.0.0.0, which corresponds to 11 August 3114 BCE. And on 21 December 2012, the Mayan Long Count calendar will read 13.0.0.0.0.

Now here's how it works. Our numbering system is based on 10. But the Mayans had a counting system based on 20, so most of the 'slots' in their calendar had 20 potential numbers (0 to 19). The calendar read a little like the odometer in your car's speedo (which run from 0 to 9). The extreme right slot (of five slots) would count through the days, and when it got to 19 days (0.0.0.0.19) would reset to zero, and the next slot across to the left would increase by one (to 0.0.0.1.0).

So 0.0.0.0.1 was one day, and 0.0.0.1.0 was 20 days. Then 0.0.1.0.0 was about one year, 0.1.0.0.0 was about 20 years and with 1.0.0.0.0, you've clocked up about 400 years. And on 21 December 2012, the Mayan Long Count calendar will read 13.0.0.0.0.

By the way, the time between 0.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is about 5126 years. Now some Mayan archaeo-astronomers reckon that the calendar should reset back to zero and start again. But others disagree and say it should continue to 20, and then reset again.

We don't have enough information to know who is correct - but if it does go up to 20, then this completely destroys the End of Days Conspiracy Theory, as far as the year 2012 is concerned. But let's stick to the 13 Conspiracy for the time being.

The claims for 21 December 2012 cover a lot of ground. They range from 'nuclear holocaust' to 'Harmonic Convergence of cosmic energy flowing through the earth, cleansing it and raising it to a higher level of vibration', and along the way they include 'the death of two-thirds of humanity' and 'the north and south poles will split' - you get the picture.

But there are two problems with this.

First, when a calendar comes to the end of a cycle, it just rolls over into the next cycle. In our Western society, every year 31 December is followed, not by the End of the World, but by 1 January. So 13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan calendar will be followed by 0.0.0.0.1 - or good-ol' 22 December 2012, with only a few shopping days left to Christmas.

And the second problem is that it is always remarkably difficult to make predictions, especially about the future, and things that haven't happened yet.


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PostPosted: Aug 20th, '10, 15:56 
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Personally I think that the new messiah will be born on December 22nd 2012. It;'s a popular birthday for messiahs. However nobody will realize till the messiah has had a chance to grow up a bit.

Will his name be Brian???


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i certinaly hope the world doesnt end dec22nd 2012. that 1 month after i finish uni
oh well i guess i should just quit, make up a bucket list and go on my merry way . . . . :headbang:


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