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And the old excuse about "it's going to cause problems with the economies of different countries" is also refuted by many economists.

The scaremongering is is coming from big coal and oil/gas businesses suggesting that the world will sink into an economic depression if we try and limit CO2 emissions. This is rubbish, there are a number of eminent economists who point out that economies will probably get boosted by a large shift to renewable sources of energy, and other alternative technologies. Power is to cheap here.... Increasing the price will cause people to find more efficient ways of using energy..

Economic growth can not keep increasing forever, and it's about time that economies slowed down a little so there won't be quite such a drastic burst when things do become a little tight for whatever reason..

An independent study in California (a leader in emissions reductions) showed it has lead to growth in that state:
Global warming cap can stimulate CA economy, report says

totaly agree with you on this one EB just sucks to be the one who has to pay more

You will find the people who use the most power are the businesses and the rich pricks in their 2 story house with reverse cycle air conditioning in every room. Sorry to be blunt, but their not going to give two hoots if the cost increases. It just going to be us poor sods who have to fork out more.

I say everyone gets a cap. You go over that three times then tough no power for you!!! Same with water and gas as well.

sure would teach some folks to be a bit smarter with their usage

Tims got a point.

HA, wanna hear power usage (I guess its not relative becasue the place is pretty much THE cold stores)

a BIG cold storage place here in VIC projected their next years power bill at around 2MIL

Theres always gunna be a divide between rich and poor, thats a socioeconomic problem, the rish can go and buy lots of things that the poor can;t buy.. Perhaps rebates or discount rates on an income based scheme..

I think with water there needs to be a scheme where an allocation is made based on a formula pertaining to numbers and age of peoplke in the househoild, then once the allocation is used, mains pressure is dropped and excess is charged at a decent rate.
With electricity, the government is not serious until they buy back PV KWHrs at $1 per hour, and make it compulsory for all new homes to have solar hot water and a small grid connect system.

My 2 cents FWIW

Not as extreme.... but it might just work.....

i would like them to by back the PV at $1/hr too

i would stept the mains power down to the same voltage as the PV panel, then feed it back into the inverter.

after all efficiency losses i should still be making about 3x profit

That sort of stuff never works. Just means all the people who have their own businesses and ways of reducing their taxable income pay nothing and people on PAYE get ripped off as with everything. Stepped costing would be better. Use a reasonable amount and you pay a reasonable rate. Use heaps and pay more.

I think that it is too late to stop massive climate changes.

While this year's rainfall is the best for 6 years, the rainfall in the south west of Western Australia has dropped by 48% in the '70s and another 34% in the nineties.
The current year's rainfall is still far below "normal" rainfall in the '80's and '90's. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The poles are melting, glaciers have melted and others are disappearing rapidly.

You said that weather happens when cold air meets hot air. That is only a minute part of the weather creating conditions. For example, cyclones do anot form over cold water, they form where the water temperature is high, and the average ocean temperatures are rising faster than ever before in recorded history. Even polar ice cap drill cores show that the O2 is lower than ever before and the CO2 is higher than ever before. This is the precursor of climatic changes which have started to happen and will happen with increasing rapidity for a very long time to come.

All I can do, is to prepare to provide food and water, housing and warmth for my extended family as best I can, hold on and brace myself for the ride. It could get bumpy and many will get hurt, perhaps during the next 20 - 40 years, during the worst of it.


If what I am doing to prepare myself results in a reduction in pollution, then I have done something to help, but I feel that it is "too little, too late".

I feel that I am a moderate, but I have read widely and have sorted the facts from the exaggerations and the rebuttals, to come to my own conclusions.

If I am wrong, then I will have achieved a reasonable level of self sufficiency. If I am right, I may need to defend my food, water, power and family from predators who haven't prepared for the times ahead.

I wish you well
Tony

100% with you Tony though for the south west, well the bit where I live has had the most rain for manymany years.
My tanks have been overflowing for 7 weeks.
More than ever before...for this time of the year!
Though, away from the coast is a different story, very very dry!
Glad I live where I chose 18 years ago!

If you turned off the coal and oil, as things stand right now we would go back to a pre 1900's standard of living.
simple fact is the cheap and easy source of energy that is provided by fossil fuels is what makes our current standard possible.

you would kiss a LOT of things we take for granted goodbye.

And i don't subscribe to the idea that nature is somehow fragile. Everything i've seen tends to suggest she's a tough old b*tch.
This planet has had some pretty major events in the form of volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes and solar events, and it's still ticking along just fine.
The tiny tiny amount of additional gas we are putting out pales in comparison.

If their is an answer to fossil fuel use, we are going to require significant research and money to find it, and that's not going to happen if we cripple ourselfs with high energy costs.

solar,wind and biofuels are only situational sources of power, the only real contender that could power our society is nuclear and people are even more paranoid about that!

To power our needs in Australia would require at least 25 reactors Timmy... government figures.....

They would have to be sited close to large potable water reserves..... something that we're a bit short on at the moment.....

They would have to be sited next to existing power nodes, or would need significant investment to connect to the grid otherwise....

This means building them near existing power station sites... in populated areas....

No country has as yet developed a successful program of long term waste disposal....

We don't have sufficient expertise in this country at the moment to staff even one reactor, and to develope the numbers required would require significant funding.....

There is a huge lead time on delivere of nuclear reactors and they're not cheap.....

There's no way we could build and staff 25 reactors within thirty years....

Nuclear is just NOT cost effective, even against wind and power, without a heavily subsidised carbon tax.....

And there's always the possiblity of them going boom......

Now considering we could for the same money built over 150 solar farms, about 200 wind farms and do it in about tens years.....

... and relieve ourselves of the burden of fossil fuel dependance, while still maintaining our standard of living ....

I reckon it's a no brainer, myself