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Oh, and that same EU is right now contemplating a whopping 47% import tax on Chinese solar panels! Public argument is of course protection of EU producers of panels, but the real reasons are decreasing tax income on fossil fuel and possibly missing out on future energy production (can't tax sunlight, can you?). So the issue for these *frack* up bureaucrats is not the environment they care for, but missing out on tax income that, after all, have to pay their absurd high salaries in the future.

You are choiring to the preacher my friend. All I was saying is that you can not take Natural News at face value, because like all news sources, they too have an agenda. Back in my high school days I was in Amnesty International. The first thing they show you is how journalistic integrity is dead.

Hahaha, all so true! A big for that, Ron

This is what makes the mostly unregulated decentralized form of the internet so important. It Must be kept open and free from the govt.

Amen to that

Since no-one ran with this, I'll show you why I wasn't really joking...

http://digitaljournal.com/article/329723

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... er/4314447

http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Orego ... lture.html

I also recall that years ago some South American country had privatised its water and was trying to charge people a fee based on rainfall in their area and the area of the property owned. Not sure how that went or where it was though.

I fear that in a decade or three we will all work casually for labour hire companies.
Banks and their proxies will own most property and rent it to us.
Growing food at home will be judged to be too hazardous and be illegal.
You won't own your car, you'll lease it. Self driving cars are almost here. You'll call one, it'll turn up and take you where you ask. If it's an approved destination that is. (sorry, you have used your beach allowance for the year. Perhaps you would like to visit the theatre?)
I could go on and on but I'll try to stop now...

Lets hope not Bodgy. Thats not a word I want to live in.

I dont want to live in a word either Charlie...

Personally, i wish the government would take away all my civil rights. I dont like thinking too hard...

I'm sure at some stage... you'll get the government that you deserve Rsevs ..

Bodgy, what a story! It's absurd but unfortunate seems to be true. What a totally *frack* up country has the US become in the last decades. How can Americans stand it?

And than to imagine that the US is almost everywhere military present and working hard to get a foot in the door in the countries their not yet in. If these idiots have it their way, soon we all have to live under an US dictatorship. I would like to suggest to anybody that cares, to check the web for PNAC (Project New American Century). You will understand than, that what happens now is no coincidence but a well planned strategy of a country to become the rulers of the world. I see strong correlations between that nation and Hitler Germany. Just observe and one will see what I mean with that.

Most Germans did not realize what the nazis were up to. The thing about a democracy is that we get to change things. By default it is a very slow process. Unfortunately, we can do very little about foreign policy. It is far less tied to our bill of rights.

They did, Ron. But just like now, they stuck their head in the sand and pretended not to see. A matter of selfishness. After all, if one sees injustice or bad things and acknowledges it, one is forced to take action against it. Pretending not to see relieves a human from that duty. Erich Fromm wrote lots of books about it.

Of course, not every American endorses the actions of their government ( I suspect you're one of them ). But it seems that a majority still tries to deny the reality of what is really going on there and abroad with their government. I understand, it is not easy to see and act and it demands some courage to rise against a seemingly omni potent power as US government. Whatever they do, it can only be done if the people allow them to.

Remember, PNAC!

The wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... an_Century. Take it from there.

I think it was Bolivia - the people took to the sgtreets and at least the first time, I think the Govt decided to circumvent the obvious burgeoning revolution and kicked the Corporation who had been given ownership out of the country.

I have a vague impression it happened again though. The US Govt would not take lightly the reversal of a decision to grant a US Corporation ownership of a country's resources. I'd have to look up details though - it was a few years back.

Bill 510 - FDA Food Safety Modernization Act in the US raised concerns about Federal laws governing the backyard food production that has been slowly spreading across the US. Amendments were added to the bill to try to alleviate the growing public/internet/blogger concerns, but unfortunately, while a person with faith in the goodness of politicians and lawyers would look at the amendments and think the situation had been dealt with, the wording is vague enough that it doesn't actually exempt backyards at all.

One way in is to look at the pollution raining down in city areas (and increasingly in rural areas) and declare the backyard food 'not safe' at which point the Feds can move in and remove the plants, fine the owners and in case of recalcitrance, arrest them.

Some local Govts are already in on the act; a guy in Orlando in FL and a woman in Michigan have been fined for going vegetables in their yards - pretty sure it was front yards but again, it was a while back & I'd have to search for details.

The other way, far more insidious but less likely to raise side issues about Corporations polluting the land, is to bring the FBI in on things. Here's the scenario - the FBI has a brief to get involved anywhere actions might infringe on interstate trade. Even if a guy grows food just for himself (& family) it means he does not buy as much food from the supermarkets. Most food in the US is transhipped across borders - maybe for exactly this reason...

So the local guy, with his reduced expenditure on store-bought food, is infringing on interstate trade; under the letter of the law, the FBI can turn up and arrest him, remove his crop and even poison the dirt so he cannot grow anything there.

Now it may not happen, but when have any of us seen a Govt or Dept with a given power NOT exercise that power? Even if just to set precedent.

And there is more... another bills, Bill 875 - Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 establishes a Food Safety Admin dept - is something wrong with the FDA, an extant Dept already funded?


Bill 510 also went through a convoluted path - not only did it need to be modified to assuage the concerns of the public and others, it could not pass in Congress because and I quote, "it is a revenue-raising bill" - all such bills must originate in the House and 510 was from the Senate. So they concocted Bill 2751, which appears to be a catchall for anything they might have problems with - it has had numerous titles... and eventually became the last one, designed to give extra powers to the FDA. Note my comment above - now there's a new FSA and increase of power for the FDA...

This seems a strange route for what would seem, on the face of things, to be a logical step in protecting the food supply in the US from attack.

Personally I have looked at Govt bills with a jaundiced eye ever since I first read the FOI act here in Australia - far from giving us the right to information, it removed the right we had all along - or rather, the Govt, none of the western 'Democratic' Govts, EVER had the right to withhold information from citizens, even for National Security - they were, after all, employees of the people, and servants to the public.

FOI acts around the world, for the first time, put legal backing behind Govts saying, "no, you can't see that" and even put a 30 year minimum in place, which of course can be extended at will... BY THE GOVT. That act removed the Govt from our oversight - the People no longer are entitled to know what their Govt is doing.

Once you look at the FOI process, with a clear eye, you will begin to see all the other acts by Govts in a different light. Always ask, "What benefits will the Govt get from this?" because they NEVER do things for our benefit unless it is as an adjunct to improving their position.

And when you've asked and answered how it benefits the Govt, ask yourself which Corporations will benefit from it.

The water thing??? Look into it a bit further, sensationalised fear mongering again.. I looked this up a while back when it was mentioned on the forum a long time back. The guy had been refused permission to build a dam but built it anyway, that's why he was in trouble... News reports had twisted the story into "man facing jail for collecting rainwater that falls on his property."

Honestly this article hear http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Orego ... lture.html is pretty pathetic, they try and call it news? It's hardly worth of an opinion column, in a gossip mag...

You guys really need to stop spending so much energy on fear, go outside and do something you enjoy...