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If 100% of the money went to renewable energy development/research, I would be all for it.
Giving the money back is a scam.
Why keep trying to give tax cuts to people who hardly pay any tax?

Does this fit in the 'venting corner' thread?

Interesting

It'd help a lot if we reduced power requirements of appliances
Aussie appliances are real pigs

So my rice cooker in Australia is 600w

My indo one is around 100w

Haven't got a tv yet but there's LCD ones that are 44W

We could do with importing some smaller less hungry appliances
Or just turn off the power completely
I did it for 6 weeks before I left Australia
No mains power, just bought inverter from car cig lighter to charge laptop and phone
Vegetable oil lamp for light
My mate in remote Bali does his house lighting with Thai LED a truck battery and a single solar panel
Yeah it's extreme but it's good to see what if?
I missed ice
I just bought fresh meat and veg as I needed it and cooked by gas and gas light
Basically same as I do in indo
Took cold showers or boil water for bucket bath

Life was fine after initial adjustment
And it felt nice to be totally in control of needs
Real "user pays" ( don't pay for what u don't use)

That's Cos my shack has a total 900w supply
And the meter box is like prepaid phone
Just go buy credit, charge it up, let it count down

No monthly connection fee
No expiry date
No bollocks

Aussie businesses are nightmares
Addicted to the double dipping
Screaming "user pays"
While continuing to gouge for services not provided

Phone, power, govt etc

Living in developing countries is great to self assess what is and what isn't needed

Inthink Aussies need that reality check

But Aussie corporations and govt also need to be told to piss off when they charge for things they neither create nor provide

Eg line rentals, rates, access fees, admin charges, service fees, connection fees

You know ur in danger when u find you are not ALLOWED to opt out
Not a customer or citizen anymore, just a subject

This carbon tax is literally a tax on the air we breathe
It's incredulous
Possibly the greatest con job ever pulled on us

It isn't going to cut emissions anyway, which are best measured by coal and gas exports as the real counter
No, cfls do sfa for emissions, and do introduce mercury to our homes and waste streams
Not when govts falling over themselves to sell all the coal and gas they can to china

NOTHINg at all points to carbon reduction strategy
Not even intent
Not even pretending they are

Why isnt there tax deductions for AP systems?.... surely we are lowering the carbon footprint via sustainability?

As much as I like the idea, I think it would get people into AP for the sake of a tax break, rather than because they enjoy the benefits that it produces.
It'd be great business for BYAP, but the last thing we need is the uneducated public getting into something they have no idea about.
I also don't like the idea of any sorts of regulations as to what can and cannot be built, but Im probably looking into it a little too deep!

Your prob right...

But I think AP still only apeals to certain people... I go on about AP every minute of the day around friends and work colegues and although most seem interested... thats about as far as it goes. I have plenty of friends that say "when I get mine up and running.." or "Ill get some stuff organised next weekend".. I hear it over and over. This has been going on for years. I have got a few on board but I wonder if its just laziness or maybe just the un-known.

But yea, throw in a tax deduction and they will come a runnin.... and not for the right reasons.

Laziness is why people glaze there eyes over when you talk about AP. Buying stuff at the stupidmarkets is so easy

My thoughts exactly..
It's the first global tax in history, I wonder if it will be the last.
Maybe they will try adding a global cooling tax in a few years time

I think the initial outlay puts a few ppl off too, as well as the ongoing costs, when your looking at a basic system just under $2000 (that i doubt would be able to supply the avg household with enough produce compared to $2000 worth of vegies and fish from the supermarket or $2000 worth of water for your traditional vegie patch) unless your doing it because you want a hobbie or are happy to get a slow return on your investment, most ppl will say yes thats amazing and interesting but will make no effort to achieve that goal unless they can throw it together themselves for a lot less, which the majority on this site have done.
I look at AP as a long term project, with better results the older my system gets.


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AND if they put a tax on chit dribbling most of the ppl in the world would have to declare bankruptcy


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Regarding the carbon tax, maybe it will make people start to consider their power usage...
I recently bought one of these:

from here:
http://steplight.com.au/education/monitor-energy/plug-in-electricity-power-meter/

I'm down to 3 units a day now, with two adults in the house.

This is less than I was using at the same time last year, with only one person in the house...

Have a look at your power bill, and see how many units a day you average. Most people are up around 20-30

Our weekly garbage rates and dumping fees just went up. Business users fees also went up so they will pass that back on to the people as well. Weetbix may not have gone up overnight but a lot of things have.

In which case... ask them first for a carbon price breakdown, if they claim it's due to the carbon tax... and/or then you should report them to ASIC... there is no justification for raising retail prices on goods or services that haven't even attracted a day old carbon tax...

This is just dodgy businesses price gouging...

It's not dodgy businesses price gouging, it's a fiscal reality.

If a business is liable for carbon tax, then I would imagine they'd be attracting carbon tax from day one, July 1st, so are entitled to charge their customers from day one also.

Are they supposed to wait until they get their first Carbon tax bill and then start charging???...

I don't know how it works, but I'm assuming the carbox tax payable is self assessed and then audited at some point down the track, so the companies probably won't incur a carbon tax liability until October, but it will be for the July-Sept 1/4, so they need to start charging now.