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PostPosted: Jan 6th, '09, 21:33 
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Gotta love that 7% growth.... I'll resist posting the link to those videos though..


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I dunno, I think we will hear many more people saying that there big reserves in different places. What was the other recent one, some protected wilderness area that was meant to have vast quantities of oil under it..

Yes. Going to hear about the northern slopes of Russia and Indonesia.

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In the early 1960s crude oil was selected as a tool of world control, Williams said, adding, What we pay at the gas pump is a form of taxation. The American consumers dependence on crude oil thus far has enabled people from foreign oil-producing nations to buy T-bills (U.S. treasury notes) in order to support the U.S. national debt and continued deficit spending. The need to support that debt puts the U.S. government in a bind, forcing Americans to remain dependent on foreign oil.


Crude was not "selected" as a tool of world control. It became a tool of world control through our own choices of western lifestyle. His wording makes out like foreign oil rich countries got the US hooked on oil and now hold it in debt struggling under its addiction. Western society is a willing addict, we get off on the high of consumption yet aren't willing to pay the price.

Got to take it within his particular context EB.... or you misrepresent what is being said. His perspective is that it is an Elite body of people who have selected oil as the tool of control. The movie makes this very clear.

A question for me has always been why alternate energy has never taken hold when it makes both environmental and economic sense. Taxation at the pump was said by some to be one of the reasons.

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I found this response to his video on another site:

[code]Either Mr. Williams is the victim of very cruel practical jokes, or he is twisting the truth to sell more books.

Then why does he offer it free to read here...............
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis-ch1.html


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Hey guys, I think we can all agree that oil is the control issue for the moment but we all know it won't last, especially with our consumption. Even if all but necessary travel was stopped, we would still run out... you should see how many trucks transport goods and food across the nation and all the coal trains that must travel from, I think, Wyoming to the East coast. This is why the nations are dividing up the ocean as well- future oil speculation- soon there won't be any international waters, it will all be claimed by somebody. Sooner or later, there is going to be a huge squabble with China, Thialand, and Japan over the oil that sits in the ocean between their countries. It is a limited resource and has been wasted. When it gets to the point of rationing, only the governments, the wealthy and the necessary will get it.
Next issue.....blue water, guaranteed because that is also linked to food. Salinas county, where we get our lettuce and spinach, the same place where E-coli has been sourced to so many times, I think I know the reason why, if you look at their wells, they're filling up with salt water so Salinas county has to depend on irrigation water to produce crops. Same thing is also happening in places like Saudi Arabia, fresh water is not being replaced fast enough in the aquifiers and now all the glaciers across the globe are melting at exponential rates. Saudi Arabia just purchased huge tracts of land along the Nile in Egypt for agriculture.
I also once read a paper that controlling the Eurprates river- which runs out of Turkey down into Iraq and is also a major water source for Iran- was also in place as a weapon for control. I didn't think it possible until I read that Turkey had already dammed it and had shut the water's flow for several days and made Iraq very nervous.
And I know you're going to get sick of this- but I just can't figure out why Bush would want to buy land in a 3rd world back water place like Paraguay? It is out of his character and I know he wouldn't do that for a reason and I don't trust the man, never have. Help me out- this is going to drive me crazy until I can figure it out.
I have heard the following possibilities-
rumors of civil unrest in the U.S.
security of the world's largest fresh water aquifier
a meteor hitting in the Pacific Ocean and only the Andes mountain range will be able to stop the Tsunami that it will create- I liked that one!!!!

And now I ran across this-Groups allied with Moon publish a newspaper, operate businesses and have large land holdings in Paraguay, South America's second-poorest country.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif321.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif161.html
Of course, you can't believe everything you read on the internet and I try to find reliable sources but this is the second time, from a newspaper source, that the Rev. Sun Myung Moon has come up and his ranch is suppose to be close to Bush's.

There's also this reference in there for those in the above discussion- proposing an 50-mile, $200 billion tunnel linking Siberia and Alaska.


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How can oil be used as the most powerful medium of control?

According to the information given to Lindsey Williams...........In the not too distant future OPEC is going to go bancrupt. This is planned by those he calls the "Elite". Oil fields on the northern slopes of Russia and Indonesia have more oil than all of Middle East put together. This oil will be used to flood the market and bancrupt Middle Eastern Oil nations.

Why? This collapse is said t o be planned because Iraq and Iran refuse to buy up American debt in form of T-bills and Fed Reserve issues. This is a problem to the powers that be. America found and developed the very oil wells that have made these Arab nations the richest in the world and the agreement made in the days of Henry Kissinger was that these nations would use a portion of this wealth to….. effectively….. buy American debt… so the interest would be paid. They have reneged on this deal and new oil wells already discovered in Russia and Indonesia will be used to put them out of business. The Elite claim the power to be able to do this. They told Lindsey Williams back in about the 1970s that they would bring the price of oil down from $32 to $10. When Lindsey.. who had already seen firsthand how powerful these people were.... told the public that oil prices would drop so low he was laughed out of the water. Within weeks it dropped to $11.... they almost got it right. Those who ridiculed suddenly started proclaiming him a prophet.... but he denied it.... said he just knew the people doing it.

In the current situation the Elite are said to claim to want to destroy Iraq and Iran and so plan to de-value the price of oil by flooding the market. Saudi Arabia alone has said that when oil gets below $80 then they can no longer buy T-bills and Fed Reserve Issues…. this has been paying the interest on America's Debt…. The price per barrel of oil is already below this. The Arabs live only for today. What comes in today is spent today. They live the lifestyle of $140 a barrel. This is a people who were just wandering nomads 100 years ago. America made them rich and now these certain people in America are saying they will make them poor..... and in so doing remove the headache they have become. After Iraq... a war with Iran is not desired.

And this Elite group of people further claim that the dollar will collapse. They have told Lindsey Williams that America will see a financial collapse that it will take years to come out of. They claim that thus will the American people become more and more ready to accept a socialist government to get relief from the distress. This has been stage-managed deliberately to bring the American public into submission to their plan of a New World Order. Many already say that Obama will get anything he asks for.... and it will be interesting to see what he asks for.

Watch the movie or read the online book. This is a simple man who wants to warn his nation. He did not think he would ever have enough credibility to get heard and so invited the then Senator Hugh Chance of Colorado to visit him up at the pipeline for a week. This is what the Senator says in the Foreword......
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The content of this manuscript is only as valuable and useful to the reader as the credibility of the authors. The honesty, integrity, and therefore the credibility, of the authors of this book is unquestionable to the limit of their combined facts and knowledge.

I can personally attest to many of the facts, and certainly many of the conversations quoted in the book, as I spent a week with Chaplain Lindsey on the North Slope of Alaska during the construction of the Trans-Alaska pipeline. I was privileged to talk with high officials of Alyeska Pipeline Service Company. For reasons unknown to me, I was given access to private information that apparently very few outsiders were ever given. I moved among the men at work and in the barracks. My week on the North Slope was a liberal education.

The motivation for this book is to bring facts to the American people as the authors know them. They do not have a political ax to grind nor any personal advantage by bringing forth these facts. Our President has stated that our energy problem is the equivalent of war. Yet he has embraced policies that have continually discouraged and hampered the development of our oil industry.

Nearly ten years ago President Nixon warned of a pending energy shortage unless our domestic production be drastically increased, but Congress insisted on restrictive price controls.

Congress has been urged—and sometimes threatened—by special interest groups to take a negative stance on energy production, but they have miserably failed to take proper action to increase our domestic production. In fact, as you read this book you must come to the realization that energy production has been fiercely stifled by "Government Bureaucracy, " and Congress has sat on its collective hands.
You, the reader, will be left to make your own conclusions as to why this set of facts and circumstances conflict many times with what we have been told by the news media—which is fed its information by Government Agencies and Departments.

It is with great pride and pleasure that I endorse this manuscript and compliment the authors for taking time to do the research and make it available to all of us.
March 19, 1980.
Hugh M. Chance
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There is enough oil in America to service all her needs for the next 200 years but it will not be piped to American refineries because then the other nations will not service her debt load in the oil buying transaction. Question…. Would not all that oil enable America to then pay off her debt load? Yes. But this elite body of Americans will not allow that because America needs to be brought to her knees financially so that the New World Order can be created. Only on these terms will the American public be willing to comply to what constitutes a police state in the not too near future. That police state is not impossible to envision even now with all that is going on.

Many of those in the know are leaving the States. Lindsey Williams tells of President Bush having bought many acres of land in Paraguay to retire on. He gives this as the reason Angie

This is easy for us. Wait and see. Will OPEC go bankcrupt? Will oil in Russia and Indonesia swing the balance of power? The Bible speaks of Russia (Gog and Magog) growing in strength in the End Times. I recently heard prophecy that Russia would grow as an angry bear.... larger and larger.... and it will be like little people with sticks trying to stop her. The Elite have told Lindsey Williams that they will destroy certain cultures in order to raise up other cultures to suit their purposes.... a one world government.


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Question…. Would not all that oil enable America to then pay off her debt load?


If you pay of the debt there would be no money! Thats the way our system works. There is no plan to pay it off


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He now reckons that theres another oil field in Swanson River thats 5 times the size of the one that is going to feed the US for 200 years, guess there's gunna be oild for many many centuries to come.. But you won't hear about it anywhere because it's been hushed up, you won't even find it on the internet, he says. Well thats very convenient Mr Williams... In the same interview he talks about how a soldier who watched over a pipeline in Iraq told him some important information, "that oil was leaving Iraq through the pipeline so quick it would make your head spin and it's being brought out of the country by Bush and Cheney who are selling it and making millions".

Well of course a soldier who was watching a pipeline would know exactly what was going on, would he even know whether or not the pipeline was even flowing? How would he know what was happening to the oil? Perhaps he was speaking with Bush and Cheney, who told him about the millions they were making.. Or perhaps it's all pure conjecture.. But Mr Williams gave the situation credibility because he named the soldier, he also said that he knew his mother, and he had it there in front of him, writing directly from the soldier... Well I'm convinced then, it has to be true.. :?

Everyone reserves the right to remain paranoid about whatever they like, whether it be meteors hitting the earth, invasion by communists, or government conspiracies. If people choose to live in fear of their government or economic leaders, or some "elite group" then it's their own lives they are wasting living in fear.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence thats been presented to back up his statements, everything is hearsay.


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PostPosted: Jan 7th, '09, 07:39 
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If you pay of the debt there would be no money! Thats the way our system works. There is no plan to pay it off

Not all the economic systems are built without ANY solid backing DDM. Canada and Oz and South Africa are doing better for this reason. If the USA sold oil to other nations she could settle her debt. Oil rich countries get rich. An obvious fact. It is effectively the true currency of the world.... not paper money. But I should add.... oil-rich countries that use their oil, and sell rather than buy oil .... get rich.

EB you are welcome to your opinion. I have learned one thing for sure. It is easy to bash a message we do not like. Those who ridicule the messenger for the message are a dime a dozen. It takes courage to put an unpopular message out there as Lindsey Williams has done, and I have found it wiser to take a deeper look at what and why. I do not agree with your conclusions about him at all. Agree to disagree. Kudos to the man for doing what most would not be willing to risk doing. Time will surely tell if he is right, but I find no reason to doubt his sincerity. I will certainly not be one of those knocking him without having thoroughly understood what he is saying and why. We usually bash what makes us afraid. It is not paranoia that can face an ever increasing amount of evidence that something very strange is going on... and do something positive to prepare. The Jews who left Germany in time were probably called paranoid.


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Hey this looks like a good time to try that tin foil hat I got for Christmas :thumbleft:


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Anything like this Lungy?


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PostPosted: Jan 7th, '09, 19:22 
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... or more like this


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I don't see questioning something as "bashing" anyone. After all, isn't the basic message he is passing on, to question what you are being told? I don't question his sincerity, just the accuracy of his statements.

Time is the only way to tell, so I'll wait, and hope he's not right.... :)


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... or more like this

That looks like it but I'm sure it's a Chinese rip off :shock:


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Agree. Time will tell all. Going to be interesting watching what does and doesn't unfold.

We're cool EB..... under all those tin foil hats :)


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