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Perhaps, in a very limited vague sense ...

It's the military that proposes, designs, builds and tests them ... for it's own purposes.... then lobbies the political powers of the time to deploy them.....

The paid advisers, advise the gov, the gov puts up 'our' money, and the corporate sector provide the research and the gov says to the defence dept to implement!.
This all was once supplied by the big banks- bank of england for eg. supplyed funding to ensure the business leaders had secure markets to sell there wares(goods or services) the governments would hire out armys to defend a country and the country would be indebted to them.
This is why we have strategic alliances, based on trade which is money.

Pollies represent the country and flag, so if a pollie decides to bomb for an example, then by your own definition............


Doesn't that make it (the country that elects the pliticians who order the soldiers) a terrorist in the view of the civillians being killed?

Didn't the "soldiers following orders" line went out with world war II ?

Yep... and yep....

That is why it is so important to be aware, informed and active in participating in the democratic process.....

To hide behind ignorance, disinterest or dishonesty is ultimately perceived by others to be just as cowardly and hippocritical as the actions of rampant ideologues in the aisles of parliment.

That is why the forthcoming elections in ALL the major western nations are of the ultimate importance to the future of ALL humanity for the next century......

Make sure you ALL think carefully about what it is you wish for the sake of your children and grandchildren.

If we get it wrong we might just (for one reason or another) significantly shorten the future opportunities or indeed their very lifespans.

Actually I know of 2 Australian inventors that invented and developed weapons/ weapon technology and presented them to the Australian Government for backing and approval for further testing but like all inventions they end up going to the US and in one case the US stole the idea and sold it as their own.....all private business too mind you.

As for "Bowling for Columbine" I think if you want to beleive what Mike Moore shoved in your face then I pity you, you would need to research and look at the other side of the storey and see that Mike Moore is a typical journo thats good at taking people and figures grossly out of context......AND then sensationalising it all....PT Barnum eat ya heart out...

ps sorry for not following the program here lol

and san salvadore.cia
drugs for arms.cia
food for oil.cia
ressisting the trend is not easy.

a terrorist IS a civilian. that is what we are haveing a problem with right now.
its tuff.

Mike Moore, one MAJOIR thing I don’t like about that guy, is that he take human tragedies, and turns them into profit in his own pocket.
He is hooking us in with emotions that are not his to gain from.

if you want to go history, i whould say the British Empire.

I remember. At that time, the LAPD Where Only allowed to curry there side arms and a couple of shot guns (mostly because California is too much to the left side, at that time) they didn’t think they need more, well that why they have SWAT, witch had a MP-5 witch are fully auto guns.

The bad guy (bank robbers) had AK-47s; we all know what that is. they got those illegally, California had a Ban on buying or selling Automatics weapons in I think 95-96, the store still had them in stock, they where legal to shoot if you had a permit. Not to sell. I remember when my dad and I went gave up are tec9, its was a crappy gun any ways.

The major lesson is always can the bad guys get better weapons the then COPS. Gun are easy to get illegally. Its quiet sad. I met a guy once who bys guns off the street and melts them down, destroys them. But that’s illegal to.

EVERYONE EVERYONE, Lison to Meancoyote, he know how it is. hes post are right on. this is how it all works.

Meancoyote, you are spot on, its better then a bulls eye.

[quote="]While on the subject of fighting/violence/guns/political change etc... Non violent change is not only possible but has been used very successfully to overthrow British rule..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi[/quote]

i think MLK whould be a better example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King%2C_Jr.

Sorry for all of the posts.

By the way, I am just chatting. I appreciate all views, I’ve been known to be convince. I am not just on one side. I am not even on my own side.

You guys are all great

-df

By the by, August 28th is the anniversary of the assassination of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, and others, are proposing marches and protests to remind others of our freedoms and civil liberties.

I am planning on celebrating this day by, doing as one writer in one of my magazines suggested, marching into my local gunstore and purchasing a firearm or ammunition. (I do not have any plans on using them. Just wanting to make the point that I still have that right.)

As to the statement that the Reverend King was a pacifist, I do agree that he was a proponent of the principal of using peaceful protest in order to promote the cause, HOWEVER, the man was armed at all times! That's right, he carried a pistol, on his person, in anticipation of an attack whenever he was out in public. Unfortunately, he had not planned on James Earl Ray, a lone gunman, to shoot him from a position several yards away from him. Even the Reverend King's bodyguards had not anticipated this. So what does this tell you? That no matter what you can not anticipate all potential dangers, and that you must take measures to prevent the most likely threat against you. (Up until that time the Rev. King had been "roughed up" by everyone from militant citizens to members of Police Forces. He had even been treated as a criminal by politicians within his own country.)

Kevin