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While I might agree that an armed populus might have a deterent affect on anyone planning invasion...

I think it's a really long stretch to say that was a factor in the Cuban missle crisis... the Cubans weren't really threatening to invade the US...

And the Russians weren't either... they just figured they'd lob the missles... or threaten to as part of the MAD and insanely stupid tit-for-tat cold war ideology of the time...


As for home-invasions and the rest... well we could go on and on with the debate...

But I actually have some sympathy for the concept of the right of a civilian to arm themselves... and to form "militia" against it's government... although these days, any such action would see you placed on the "terrorist" hotlist of banned nasty boys...

As to the concept of guns and religion... well as you say... there's absolutely NOTHING in religious writings to suggest that the idea is in ANYWAY condoned...

And yep, the Romans were bastards... although we quickly forget that western religion as we know it today was formulated by the pagans of Rome and the synchophantic grovelling of suckhole Paul....

Mind you the Jewish council of the time weren't exactly paragons of virtue either... with regular stonings to death the preferred option over cruxifications...



Nope... I face my death without fear... for I long ago accepted my mortality... indeed it was the starting point from which I embarked on my journey of philosophical, historical and theological enquiry...

And whilst I am "atheist" in terms of a non-belif in a "God" as postulated by modern religion...

I do so from a purely philosophical and historical background...

And that same background philopsophically leaves me with a belief in the seperation of mind and "spirit" or "soul"... and a belief that such a seperation of "soul" can exist after the physical demise of the "mind"... and that a "universal consciouness" does, or may, exist..

Hence a leaning toward re-incarnation and Bhuddism... particularly with an emphasise on self-attainment and perfection of soul..


While I understand , and accept your position Angie... I find it somewhat contradictory from a logical and "christian" theological perspective...

But you do have every right to your beliefs... as do all others... and come what may.. I will defend that point of view... even if I argue loudly against any particular position or belief...

I do find it quite unusual that those with a belief in a deity so often feel sorry or sad for anyone without such a belief.

Quotes like this scare me..


In the words of Rage against the machine... " Killing in the name of...."

(though I think this was more about racism.. )

And now you do what they told ya EB...

yeah it was about kkk I think, from the burning crosses reference, and white superiority.

Praise the lord... and pass the ammunition...

... and if you do you will go to heaven

Do I get the seven virgins as well ... or is that the opposition mob...

No biggie really... it's a one off deal anyway...

It's a heap more than seven, and I believe it translates as virgin family members or something that sounds bad to us in English.

People forget history so quickly- our country was founded with people who rebelled on the premise of religion. They left their country to practice religious freedom. Then the "Americans" who saw themselves independent from "England" rebelled against thier country, which was in fact England at the time. Our heritage is freedom and rebellion- our civil war was also a testament to that very fact- that if we don't like the rules, we rebel. As a collective group, although some may disagree, Americans are arrogant, religious zealots, spoiled, pampered, naive, independent, money hungry, narcissistic, sex mongers... but we have our good side too- we are also generous, inventive, forgiving.


It won't make any difference soon. Our economy is not going to recover; another crash is closing in, this one worse than the first. And I can't see how all of these intelligent, learned idiots, with their degrees and high paying jobs, could not see the housing crash coming- I did and I'm not even in that field. Towards the end, you could rationalize that the situation was unsustainable.
It just goes to show how far removed they are from reality.


I have heard this argument before but I came from a unique regilious, or should I say, un-religious background and believed before even cracking a bible. Truth always ring clear, whether it is today or a thousand years before or from now- it doesn't change and one day science and religion will be as compatable as two hands folded with fingers intertwined.


Zealots come from all religions, even anti-religion, who either force their beliefs, through torture or intimidation, or mock others who believe differently from them. In regards to the Jewish religion, perhaps that is why they still wait for their savior. Christians cannot sit comfortably in their faith either as there are suggestions in the Bible that Christianity might be transformed into another religion as well.


You are not an Atheist. I profess I don't know much about Buddhism but even the Buddist religion believes in supernatural beings. Doesn't seem too much different from Christianity as we believe in God, Angels, Fallen Angels (the Devil and Demons).


No worries then, as that is a journey most of us will take.... and the only one we truely take alone.




Forgive my curiosity but the religious beliefs of others has always fascinated me, especially the variances of beliefs stemming from the same religious teachings. Interesting choice of words- philosophical and historical. Please correct me if I am wrong but I assume that philosophical comes from personal introspection based on your personality and experiences so far and historical comes from your belief in the pollution of blending, even of pagan, religiions and the violence attached to the religious zealots?
I can see that finding your religion was a struggle for you, something I did not have to deal with, as faith was always within me.


Despite any differences that may lay between us, we both believe in life after death- at last, common ground.


If you are right, I hope you come back as something nice- like a hummingbird. There are so many animals treated cruelly in our world.

From your perspective, I haven't attained your "nirvana"- that perfect harmony of acceptance, that state of being free from suffering. My empathy runs so deep I can feel physical and emotional pain and to feel the suffering of others so deeply- the injustices of this world- fills me with rage that must be kept in check and it is very un-christian to feel that way and until I can accept that things must be as they are, with worse yet to come, I struggle for within.

On a lighter note, I ran across "The Yes Men". http://www.theyesmen.org/
This is their website introduction-
Identity Correction
Impersonating big-time criminals in order to publicly humiliate them. Targets are leaders and big corporations who put profits ahead of everything else.

Has anyone heard of them before? If you haven't, please see some of their stunts. They are imposters who infiltrate actual corporate and government conferences and suggest outragous ideas to the CEO's attending-from environmental suits for when the air is no longer breathable to instituting slavery again. From our perspective, it is laughable but what is frightening is that the CEO's are serious and do not see it as a stunt but an actual serious demonstration or discussion.
So far they haven't been prosecuted- I think mainly because corporations don't want to draw attention to themselves and their stunts are not too far from the truth.

I actually saw a clip of one of their stunts- the one where they had the stupid looking, ridiculous concept, environmental suit for when the environment was no longer breathable- "The SurvivaBall". They even got a volunteer to pose inside the suit, all the while dead-panning the virtues of how they'll be able to work in a polluted environment. You have to see this suit to believe it!!!!
Enjoy, I know I did.

If all this worries you and is causing stress I suggest hiring a "worry man" .
I had a mate that was ALWays STRESSING , ALWAYS WORRYING .I went to his house one night for a beer , and there he was all relaxed and happy So I asked him what was going on ,, he told me about hiring the worry man .....,, the worry man paid the bills , did the tax's , even talked to his wife:) So I asked him "how much does the worry-man get paid" ,, he said $5,000 a week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHH I said , How are you going to pay that ..... he answered with a wry smile ,, not my problem that's the worry-man's problem:)

Ah, you are in rare form tonight...oh and by the way, I zinged you on the other discussion.

LOL at zinging .....,, Night ,, it's only night time down under in the USA ,, everyone knows world maps are drawn up-side down.

Go in the closet and close the door, you'll never know the difference......

I love metaphors and use them quite frequently in my speech but this one about Obama had me rolling- ever heard of a "post turtle"? You are about to.


Obama the 'Post Turtle'
...But from where I sit, Barack Obama is a"Post Turtle". What is a"Post Turtle" you urbane urbanites and city slickers might ask?
Well one day an old cowboy was out ridin' fence and he saw a turtle balanced on top of a fence post. When he got back to the bunkhouse he told the other fellas that he saw a"Post Turtle". They all asked,"What the hell is a"Post Turtle"? And he said it was a turtle settin' on top of a post! He then went on to explain that "you know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there and you just wonder what kind of dang fool put him up there to begin with!"
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/ ... st-turtle/