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Please, don't go giving them any ideas - they last long enough now! Start making them out of stuff with a half-life approaching that of Plutonium and we'd have Little Johnny or Kevin747 around for centuries. Can you imagine a century of one of our 'great rulers' at the helm?

My favourite ruler was a slide rule... saw one the other day and could only just remember how to use it. And as for sine, cosine and other esoterica, not a chance... Managed to work out logs though. (*waits for the smartarse comments*)

What about the folding ones with the brass hinges and ends ?
Those were the days...

Did somebody say Log?

Edward Bernays is a name I bring up often! I am also right with you on medical curies being suppressed due to profits. Polio will probably be the last cure our medical establishment brings. We really need a new medical process, not driven by profits. It would be nice to get rid of 6 or 7 pages to get back to the cures.

A while ago I was closely involved with a person who had diabetes. One day I read about a possible cure found by some Canadian scientists, being injecting isles of Langerhans into the liver, which then started to work and produce Insuline. The researchers were 100% successful in their first trial on 10 patients and seeking for further funding to continue the research. This would have been a cure! Never heard from again.

For anyone (like me) who had no clue what 'isles of langerhans' are, they are Islet cells, also called Islets of Langerhans, - clusters of pancreatic cells that sense blood sugar levels and release insulin to maintain normal levels. Sounds like a perfect way to treat someone who needs to produce insulin.

Not sure if I have posted this, but back in the 90's I was listening to ABC radio and the ex-head of CSIRO was being interviewed. He had retired and had many years as boss there. I think it was Sir Frederick White but it was a long time ago so not positive.

The interviewer asked him lots about his/their work, and then asked was there anything CSIRO had discovered that never made it to light of day, He said they had found, in the 60's, something that stopped viruses in their tracks. All viruses. They tested it for years against all they could find.

He said he had been bitterly disappointed they couldn't find anyone to take an interest in it. Which begs the question of whether it might have been a handy treatment for AIDS, which came along much later.

Zinc ions in cells apparently prevent viruses from taking over the mitochondria. Viruses basically invade cells and use mitochondria to reproduce so they can go invade other cells so being able to stop them reproducing was big. He said the best form of zinc to use was chelated zinc sulphate and the amounts he talked about were small.

Basically if you go to the supermarket and get zinc sulphate from the shelf, it is usually 25mcg per tablet - take 2 a day for a few days, then 3 or 4 a week and you're riding the dosage level. For about $7 you get about 3 months protection.

I've used this a lot, but every so often I get a bit slack on taking my vitamins and drop it out. The next cold or flu gets me back on it, because while I am taking it I get none of them. There seems to be about a 2 month lag in losing the protection, but that's not a definitive figure, because it's a little difficult to tell just when you might get stressed enough for your immune system to let the bugs have their way.

I'm afraid I completely disagree with your statement.

We spend billions of tax payers money on medical research each year and none is being suppressed.

In the 1980's Dr Barry Marshall while doing research at the Royal Perth hospital discovered that

stomach ulcers was not caused by stress but by a bacteria Helicobacter pylori.

His discovery caused all the medical books in the world to be corrected and reprinted. He was latter

awarded the Nobel prize.

All the major universities and hospitals in the world continually do this type of research, research that

is paid for by the taxpayer for their benefit and for knowledge.

I'm following two different streams of research at the moment which if successful will benefit

millions of people and cost nothing.

There is no evidence that research is being suppressed but to the contrary research is flourishing

both in the public and private sectors.

transplanting tissue or organs is nothing new and has a very high success rate .

Transplanting Islet cells is the same as transplanting a kidney, heart, liver or lungs.

You need a donor that is compatible and then the patient needs to be on immunosuppressants for

the rest of their lives. (common side effect of these drugs if taken long enough = cancer)

But this early research has led to stem cell therapy which is promising to revolutionise medicine.




http://www.csiro.au/Organisation-Struct ... eTuch.aspx

( CSIRO is a publicly funded organisation not big pharma)

Zinc as an anti viral has been studied and researched for decades/centuries and the results show some activity

but nothing like the panacea that you are suggesting.



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7709006963





http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false


I can find hundreds of such studies that put zinc under the microscope but I can't find any conspiracy

that has tried to hide it.

cheers Lou

What is suppressed are (grammer?) drugs that might only make some profit.
It costs in the order of $500million and even up to $1billion just to get a drug approved by the FDA.
10s of thousands of people die each year waiting for FDA drug approvals (that can take 15 years) for new drugs that could save their life.
Not to mention all the drugs they have approved and have killed people, yet the FDA is touted as the ONLY way to ensure safe drugs.

@Trout - Actually I didn't say anything about zinc sulphate being a conspiracy. That's a strawman argument - make up your point so you can shoot it down. All I said was quoting source, providing my best recollection of what he said and giving my experience.

I note some of your studies agree very much that zinc ions in the body are very effective for a variety of purposes but I also note we don't see it being touted as a cheap preventative for flu.

Dr Barry Marshall also got into rather a lot of trouble for his efforts because he infected himself with the bacteria to overcome the resistance to allowing his work. In fact, if you read the history of Dr Barry Marshall, it is a text book case to show how the anti-cure 'conspiracy' works. Ulcer treatments were a huge ongoing source of money and if you stopped the treatments you got the ulcers back - money in the hip pocket for Big Pharma.

Probably not a good source to try to make your point. The lengths he had to go to to get his & Warren's work published, let alone accepted, shows a definite resistance to anything that might cure rather than provide an ongoing income for the Big Pharma.

And you can find all kinds of stories about almost anything. Unless you also check funding, tenure possibilities and who benefits, it is difficult to pick the Science from the PR campaign. An example is the 'pandemic' propaganda for the so-called swine flu, a flu that killed worldwide less than half the number of people just in the US who die from normal flu each year. The conspiracy? The propaganda ramped up so that Tamiflu became a major seller as symptom-reducer and preventative vaccine - right before Rumsfeld's millions of stored doses of Tamiflu were about to pass their use-by dates.

Even recently there have been what are euphemistically called 'studies' trying to make out swine flu was far more deadly than the labs said. Nice little faux-science games using statistics involving all respiratory and heart problems that occurred during the swine flu hype. And we all know what they say about statistics.

Another result of experiments I ran across that fits my bill for new knowledge was to do with blueberries. SciAm published an article about a long term study of ways to deal with free radicals in the body. In the process they tested lots of foods and normally ingested substances to see what effects they had.

What they found kind of trickled out in diluted form to the world at large - fruits and veggies with red colouring are beneficial in mopping up free radicals and so helping the body stay 'younger' i.e. show less damage from being an oxygen user. The darker the item, basically the better the effect. They even identified the substance involved.

But that wasn't the thing that caught my eye. What they found was, while blueberries were at the top of the list, their effect was way higher than the next candidate (strawberries from memory) AND they showed an interesting side effect. Blueberries not only have a powerful anti-free-radical effect, they found evidence some damage was being repaired in the cells.

And it worked on everything they could get a blueberry into. They stated extracts wouldn't do it, it had to be the whole berry. Dosage for the effect in humans was something like 8 - 12 blueberries per day.

How much better would this world have been without Rumsfeld? His name comes up in a lot of shady places, like aspartame...

Indeed Rumsfeld & Cheney are distinctly evil men IMO.... and war criminals as well IMO...

A while back the missus and I swapped out our sugar intake for Natvia. made from the Stevia plant, all it is is sweet. No bad effects on the liver, no insulin isses... and a teaspoon of sugar is 16cals - a teaspoon of Natvia is 0.6cals.

I'm fussy about my coffee - have my own espresso machine and browse coffee sites for procedures, tips and tricks and Natvia is great in coffee - no aftertaste and no 'sweet glug' in the back of the throat. I use half a teaspoon instead of a teaspoon of sugar - Natvia is sweeter than sugar. It can be used in baking - the missus makes killer brownies and with sugar it's about 180cals per piece - with Natvia it's about half that.

Downside? It will train you OFF sugar stuff - go out and try a cake or dessert made with sugar and often it is difficult to even get halfway through due to the effects of sugar.

Get it in your supermarket, near the sugars. Seems expensive (but remember you use half amounts) but what price health?