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First let me clarify a few points; I'd be very surprised if you are paying the council anything; they are your elected representatives.
Then there is the maintain it. It is provided as a facility; maintenance would be replacing broken parts and ensuring the facility works. Why don't you go to your council and ask them to tell the city to provide cooks and waiters at the bbq facility and that you are happy to have your non responsible attitude for extra costs to be spread around all the people in the electorate?
You assume all the people round there were all given the task of cleaning up after slovenly residents, or the how can I put this politely, dickheads, who saw a bin was full and then continued to put things in it?

Sorry, and I know this is a little old fashioned, but this should be like your home, you make a mess you clean it.

I have never had a Tat in my life; perhaps I should get Volunteer and Occasional Casual tattooed on my forehead.

here you go, the full breakdown of Melville City budget
http://www.melvillecity.com.au/about/co ... 0Final.pdf

note:
page 14 , pie chart of where the funds come from:
Rates & Other General Purpose Income,
$53,415,170

Rates being council rates which all landowners within the council have to pay

oh and look
Federal Assistance Grants, $2,450,000

where does the Federal govt get their money from?

And you'r point being?

That all the residents and all Australians should pay for *sigh* who disrespect the environment and their neighbors by being utter arseholes and expect that everyone should pay for it?

Although I have some ability in reading financial data, and from memory your lot have been, to put this politely, have had a number of very dubious elected representatives, I didn't even bother to read the financial statements.

Volunteer to collect rubbish near the river, take your daughter with you, and talk to apparently those who should wipe your bum. I am sure that next time you vote or go down to council chambers to voice your concerns you will do it with a little more competency.

Or just pay the money and don't whinge.

my point being your statement below has been proven false.




Those guys are there (I am assuming) as regular scheduled maintenance, not because somebody made a complaint that the BBQs are dirty = which was your point. I base my assumption because they are there every Friday morning. So while I agree with you that people should not act like grots , should clean up after themselves etc. you have gone off on a tangent about a completely different issue.

If you hired a plumber to fix a leaking tap , would you be happy if he brought 4 other plumbers to do a job that one could do and take twice as long and charge you the cost of 5 plumbers?
That is the issue at hand.

If you wish to go on about people not cleaning up after themselves, feel free to start a new thread , heck I will be supporting you all the way on that topic

p.s I frequently clean up after other people

I think we can amiably agree to disagree, and I do get a little cranky on the weekends.

I do work with council workers and all I know work very hard under less than pleasant circumstances for not a high wage. Those that won't pull their weight don't last long.

I think you'll find that general construction contractors etc quite often get mistaken for "council workers".

I remember there used to be a guy at a local road work sight that we called "the clip board guy". There was always one guy on the excavator, two leaning on the shovel waiting for him to finish so they could do the finer details, and one just looking around kicking dirt and holding a clip board.

I'm sure they all had very legitimate roles, and I'm also sure I could not do physical labour for a full 8 hr day, but you would think that some workflow stream lining would go a long way to cutting labor cost in these companies. At the rate they were doing stuff, 2 guys working consistently could do the job of 4. Instead of having 1 work full stick, and the others waiting for their turn to do something.

Gantt charts baby!

I have one theory on this that i've learned from my own industry. Oftan it appers if you send more that one person to do a task that only really requires one it won't propotionatly take less time. eg. if i send two guys out to do a job that one guy could do they aren't going to do it in half the time.
I think the biggest reason for this is distraction. Ivé lost count of the amount of times i've had two sub-contrators working on a job (getting paid an hourly rate) and i've arrived unannoced to find them standing there chatting away (basically the old shovel leaning thing). It's not always the same guys either, in fact ivé caught myself doing it more than once. Where as if you're working on your own you just get on with it and get the job done.

As far as the excavator thing goes there is a legitimate reason for at least one guy with a shovel standing next to the trench seemingly doing nothing. Sometimes a spotter is required for an excavator operator incase of unexpecteted or suspected but unmarked underground services in the area. Someone standing next to the trench can usually see whats uncovered before the excavator operator. As for the guy with the clipboard? supervisor? saftey officer? estimator?

After nearly 30 years in aged care I can certainly agree with nih. We complain that we are over worked and underpaid which we are. More staff never meant better quality and in fact reduced the care. The thing is that you cannot expect one person to take on such responsibilities even though when there was only one person working they were so responsible that the work was done so well. More workers and less responsible or some workers will take on the responsibility for other lazy twats. I can say that I now have a great job where we all work equally so well and help each other. That makes me enjoy my work

I sent off a query to the melville council regarding this , its in their hands now. Im sure if they are indeed slacking off then the hard working ones would be more than happy they got reported.

No probs, although i dont think we disagreed on anything...
Lets see what response i get from melville council