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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 13th, '15, 11:32 ] |
| Post subject: | PLANTS to suit pH |
.. The thing that irks me with AP, is the fight we have between plant choice and pH ( and even salinity..)  It would be good to be able to group useful plants by their pH preferences.  I wonder if anyone has made a study of what plants do well under LOW pH and HIGH pH, and then perhaps , how they tolerate salt.. eg.. I would like to simply grow all plants that do well in high pH in one system and low pH in another.. Anyone know of a stand-our reference..?? .. . |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 13th, '15, 12:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
hi Bui here's a couple. low ph veg's, http://www.offthegridnews.com/survival- ... idic-soil/ ph preferences of plants, http://lazycompost.com/pH.shtml here's a good one, http://www.harvesttotable.com/2013/12/v ... olerances/ |
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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 13th, '15, 13:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
mudeye wrote: ...here's a couple. Thanks for the leads - Looking at them now  Peter PS - yes - that is what I wanted.. a LIST that can be used to pick what you like for a given pH condition.. .. . |
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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 13th, '15, 13:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
.. AND as a PS - for those who like the idea of having SALT.. it would be good to duplicate, but with "Salt Tolerance" included.. I doubt that the the average horticultural info would consider SALT as being a desirable inclusion..  .. . |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 13th, '15, 14:15 ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH | ||
Found one page Bui but it wont let me copy&paste: HIGH TOLERANCE OF SALT in order down to moderate Garden Beets Asparagus Spinach MODERATE TOLERANCE in order down to very low tolerance Tomato Broccoli Cabbage Sweet Corn Potato VERY LOW TOLERANCE in order down to LEAST TOLERANT Carrots Onions Strawberries Peas Beans heres a great one. trying to attach it....grrrrr now........can someone explain to me what ive added---- lmao......... Threshold dS/m Slope ?????? my hourly rate is fairly high Bui, best I stop helping you or the good wife may send you an invoice.  
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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 13th, '15, 18:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
OK - gone through that data and produced an XL summary.. What the best way to include an XL spread Sheet..?? .. . |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 13th, '15, 19:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
only 2 things needed to get a good spread sheet Bui. sorry, only one thing ..(you already have the data) the other is patience adding it to excel, one cell at a time. I reckon your idea is a cracka, I'm thinking of doing something like that as well. I have the AZZcardfile on pc.. its like a digital Rollerdex, well, no its not.! it IS a digital Rollerdex |
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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 13th, '15, 19:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
. Spent a deal of the day collating and entering.. it's all done.. just need to present it and copy and paste stuffs up with spacing.. .. . |
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| Author: | Gunagulla [ Jul 14th, '15, 10:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
I'm not sure I'll pay too much attention that that chart- celery does well at 3ppt salinity, as do spinach/chard, cabbage, cauli and broccoli, yet they are listed as moderately sensitive. Onion is listed as sensitive, but I know spring onions do very well at 3ppt too. I've also had peas doing well at 2.5>1.5ppt, although they are listed as sensitive in the chart. S/m is conductivity - siemens per metre |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 14th, '15, 11:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Pl ... /P1567.pdf (not a bad read) it makes a bit more sense after reading that why so many people are getting different results from the same salt levels, it seems there are huge amount of variables to consider when trying to pinpoint the effects that salt has on individual plant species. |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 14th, '15, 12:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
Gunagulla, do you know if this "conductivity - seimens per metre.?" can be converted to ppt .? |
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| Author: | Gunagulla [ Jul 14th, '15, 12:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
I suspect only under some circumstances Mudeye, because NaCl salinity is what we are interested in, but that isn't the only thing that affects conductivity. That said, I have a meter which reads both salinity and conductivity, so I can record both for my system, where I know the main contributor to increased conductivity is the tens of kg of NaCl I've added, so I'll get a ball park figure for my system, but how much relationship variance there is between mine and others I couldn't say. |
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| Author: | Gunagulla [ Jul 14th, '15, 13:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
OK, just looked it up here: http://www.appslabs.com.au/salinity.htm and see that you multiply uS/cm by a factor of 0.51 to get salinity in ppm, for a pure NaCl solution. This appears to be close to what my meter uses internally. I've just measured my big system Conductivity 6230us/cm *0.51 = 3177ppm = 3.18ppt. The meter says the salinity is 3.23ppt, which is close enough, both round to 3.2ppt. See also: https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/plants/lifes ... easurement |
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| Author: | BuiDoi [ Jul 15th, '15, 13:45 ] |
| Post subject: | PLANTS Vs pH |
Attachment: AP-PlantsVpH-1.jpg [ 61.27 KiB | Viewed 22280 times ] Attachment: AP-PlantsVpH-2.jpg [ 64.51 KiB | Viewed 22280 times ] Attachment: AP-PlantsVpH-3.jpg [ 64.94 KiB | Viewed 22280 times ] Attachment: AP-PlantsVpH-4.jpg [ 29.57 KiB | Viewed 22280 times ] Well, it's a start  If anyone wants the XL spread sheet - PM me If you have others to add to the list.. PM me Likewise - if glaring mistakes - PM me  .. . |
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| Author: | mudeye [ Jul 15th, '15, 16:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PLANTS to suit pH |
you have been busy eh Bui.? looks like you do about as much work as I do. you could add the salt tolerance by using coloured X's. red for sensitive, green for tolerant and so on...... good job...can't see my credit's anywhere, haven't you done them yet.? lol |
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