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PostPosted: May 10th, '10, 02:49 
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With an increasing population of African / north African and Middle East cultures goat is a bit of a traditional fare. I don't understand why the market is not supplying them more. You can get goat at a butcher but not coles..


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Australia is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, goat meat exporter in the world. Our feral goats are rounded up in their thousands and shipped off to abattoirs then OS. Smart operators are crossing the feral (fibre and milkers) with Bore (meat) goats to improve the carcass quality and yield. Even so most will head OS.


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Just keep in mind....

More CO2 means plants can use less energy making sugars via proteins (Amino acids) so plants will have less protein but with that they have more energy for making toxins.

So 30% more CO2 roughly equates to 30% less proteins and 30% more toxins...
They don't actually grow significantly faster and that thinking is incorrect, the protiens in plants is derived from proteins, Amino acids used to turn CO2 into sugars and other goodies. If they don't need it so much with abundant CO2 then they produce less of it. The energy value within the plant remains stable so extra energy is available to produce toxins like alkaloids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid

Tomatoes, cucumber, Aubergine (egg plant) are deadly nightshade.
Potatoes are toxic when green, will this change?
Casava is toxic but it can be treated. However the the impact of increased toxins alone could impact on 800 million people. It leaves you crippled similar to Polio.


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PostPosted: Jun 7th, '10, 02:11 
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Redman wrote:
Tomatoes, cucumber, Aubergine (egg plant) are deadly nightshade.
Potatoes are toxic when green, will this change?


Tomatoes, Aubergine, and Potatoes (& peppers) are part of the same family as deadly nightshade - not deadly themselves, of course . Cucumbers are a completely different family.


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PostPosted: Jun 7th, '10, 13:38 
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Redman wrote:
So 30% more CO2 roughly equates to 30% less proteins and 30% more toxins...
Not sure where your getting your figures from but this study of proteins suggests a lot less but still significant change.

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Effects of elevated CO2 on the protein concentration of food crops: a meta-analysis

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Meta-analysis techniques were used to examine the effect of elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide [CO2] on the protein concentrations of major food crops, incorporating 228 experimental observations on barley, rice, wheat, soybean and potato. Each crop had lower protein concentrations when grown at elevated (540–958 μmol mol−1) compared with ambient (315–400 μmol mol−1) CO2. For wheat, barley and rice, the reduction in grain protein concentration was ∼10–15% of the value at ambient CO2. For potato, the reduction in tuber protein concentration was 14%. For soybean, there was a much smaller, although statistically significant reduction of protein concentration of 1.4%. The magnitude of the CO2 effect on wheat grains was smaller under high soil N conditions than under low soil N. Protein concentrations in potato tubers were reduced more for plants grown at high than at low concentrations of ozone. For soybean, the ozone effect was the reverse, as elevated CO2 increased the protein concentration of soybean grown at high ozone concentrations. The magnitude of the CO2 effect also varied depending on experimental methodology. For both wheat and soybean, studies performed in open-top chambers produced a larger CO2 effect than those performed using other types of experimental facilities. There was also indication of a possible pot artifact as, for both wheat and soybean, studies performed in open-top chambers showed a significantly greater CO2 effect when plants were rooted in pots rather than in the ground. Studies on wheat also showed a greater CO2 effect when protein concentration was measured in whole grains rather than flour. While the magnitude of the effect of elevated CO2 varied depending on the experimental procedures, a reduction in protein concentration was consistently found for most crops. These findings suggest that the increasing CO2 concentrations of the 21st century are likely to decrease the protein concentration of many human plant foods.


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