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PostPosted: Sep 10th, '09, 18:33 
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Nutrient additives like maxicrop (maxicrop is kelp based - correct?), how often do you spray the plants during it's seedling/baby stage? And then after that (bottle says to increase the concentration of the mixture), how often do you spray after the plant has the first mature leaf?


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PostPosted: Sep 11th, '09, 17:10 
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And for how long can you store the concentrate? What about the diluted mixture?


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PostPosted: Sep 11th, '09, 20:07 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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Rarely sprayed on now, only to treat a specific plant really.

Put it in the water :)


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PostPosted: Sep 12th, '09, 11:09 
Be careful with foliar spraying... especially young seedlings, flowering plant stages, repeated usage... and particularly temperature...

Note the warnings often on the product page... "Take care. Do not apply when the temperature is expected to exceed 30 degrees" ...

If you might be wondering why... it relates to "phototoxicity".... usually reflected as "leaf" or "tip" burn...

Thought it might be good to outline just what "phototoxicity" is, possible impacts, and ways to avoid it...

Much of what's below relates to pesticides, herbacides and fungicides..... but is also applicable to "foliar" sprays in general...


From various sources...

Phytotoxicity is a term used to describe the toxic effect of a compound on plant growth. Such damage may be caused by a wide variety of compounds, including trace metals, pesticides, salinity.

All pesticides whether it’s an herbicide, insecticide, or fungicide are capable of causing untoward effects on the plants you are growing in the greenhouse. Often it’s not the active ingredient that causes the most damage but the adjuvants and inert ingredients that are the culprits.

Phytotoxicity can result from using a pesticide when environmental conditions are inappropriate such as extreme heat or intense light.

Pay attention not only to the current conditions but the predicted conditions for the few days following the application. Phytotoxicity can also occur if two or more pesticides are mixed, particularly if these products aren’t regularly combined.

You should also know the persistence of the pesticides you routinely apply. If you apply a product that has a long residual and then re-treat the same crop with a second pesticide during which time some of the original product is still effective, this combination may cause problems.

Even applying the same product at regular intervals can have an additive effect that results in damage. Sometimes it’s the formulation of the product that causes the problem.

Emulsifiable concentrates (EC) are far more toxic than wettable powders (WP) or dusts. Similarly, ECs are more likely to volatilize under warm conditions so refrain from using this formulation of herbicide near your greenhouse in mid-summer. Be sure to read the product label carefully and only apply the product according to directions. Increasing the concentration can increase the risk to the crop.

Pesticide phytotoxicity may damage the foliage or shoots. Stunting, distortion, discoloration, and even death may result. If a pesticide is applied to flowering plants, there may damage to the blossoms or bracts. The plant growth stage also determines whether a plant will become damaged. Seedlings and new cuttings are most susceptible to damage as are plants under stress from pests or adverse environmental conditions. Water-stressed plants are particularly susceptible to damage while vigorously growing, mature plants are most resistant.

(Author: Lynn Griffith - President of A & L Southern Agricultural Laboratories) wrote:

Understanding Phytotoxicity and Plants

The term phytotoxicity is roughly equivalent to spray injury. We have probably all applied sprays at one time or another that inadvertently resulted in plant injury in contrast to a positive response and many times we don’t know exactly why it occurred, and therefore do not know what we can do to prevent it in the future.

Often, a grower will apply a particular spray mixture on a regular basis without incident; then suddenly the same mixture results in injury. There are several different types of phytotoxicity. The names of these types of spray injury are my own, as I have not seen this subject formally referred to in the published literature.

Phototoxicity
· Fundamental
· Overload
· Cumulative
· Combination
· Placement
· Episodic

Fundamental Phototoxicity
Is simply when a plant variety is sensitive to a particular chemical. Examples would be the sensitivity of Aralia to Vydate or Hibiscus to Malathion. There are simply situations where a plant and a chemical just don’t get along. The activity of selective herbicides can also fall under the category of Fundamental Phytotoxicity.

Overload Phototoxicity
A second type of phytotoxicity I have identified, where an excessive rate of a chemical that is otherwise safe, is applied, and therefore causes injury.
You may also cause Overload Phytotoxicity by mixing too many elements in your spray tank. I have seen growers mix six or eight different chemicals in a tank, all at proper and safe rates. By themselves, these materials should not cause phytotoxicity. Bear in mind however, anytime you mix three or four different materials in a spray tank, the potential for Overload Phytotoxicity increases.

Cumulative Phototoxicity
When individual applications are not the problem, but that phytotoxicity occurs via build-up from regular applications of the same type. I have seen Spathiphyllum sprayed regularly with iron to the point of inducing iron toxicity. And while individual applications of Subdue fungicide may not cause a problem, applied too many times in succession, and at too close an interval, phytotoxicity can occur.

Combination Phototoxicity
This occurs when a chemical or set of chemicals may be applied without injury, but when mixed with incompatible material, results in crop injury.
For example, Daconil and Vendex are safe by themselves on numerous crops, but, when you mix them together, which you should not do, the risk of spray injury is great. Aliette mixed with copper fungicides also presents great risks, whereas individually the materials are quite safe.

Placement Phototoxicity
A somewhat rare type of phytotoxicity, which occurs when a material applied in the correct fashion is perfectly safe, but is placed where it shouldn’t. A good example would be applying Ronstar to a soil for preemergent weed control. That in itself is normally very safe, but if the Ronstar granules end up in the whorl of a sensitive plant phytotoxicity can damage that plant.

Episodic Phototoxicity
This refers to an episode where a common spray, for some unknown reason, and where it has never occurred before, suddenly causes plant injury. Usually in this type of situation weather conditions are a factor. Some sprays are safe in cooler weather whereas they can become very dangerous in high heat conditions.
Water-stressed plants can be very sensitive to otherwise safe spray applications. Improper cleaning of the spray tank from a previous application can cause Episodic Phytotoxicity. Sometimes, the causes of Episodic Phytotoxicity remain unknown.

Preventing Phototoxicity
What can a grower do to prevent all these potential problems?
First, it is important to note that phytotoxicity is a relatively rare event, occurring perhaps only once in every 500 applications on average.
To reduce those odds even more, the rules are simple:
· Clean your spray tank thoroughly between each application
· Use a separate, and marked accordingly, sprayer for herbicides only
· Watch your application rates carefully, and try not to mix more than three or four items in the tank
· Do not apply a tank mix unless your experience or chemical labels indicate a mixture is safe
· Read the chemical labels
· Don’t spray in excessive heat, or when plants are stressed or wilted
· Finally, when you are unsure about a spray mixture, there are a number of sources for useful information you can tap into, such as consultants, extension agents, other growers, chemical companies, ag sales people or the Internet
If you pay attention to what you are doing regarding the application of agricultural sprays and are reasonably diligent, phytotoxicity can be avoided almost all of the time.


In general...

DO NOT use in hot weather on citrus, kiwifruit or on sulphur sensitive apple and pear varieties.

DO NOT use on grapevines when both temperature exceeds 30°C and relative humidity exceeds
75% and other crops when temperature exceeds 24°C.

Where air temperatures are greater than 18oC, increase the volumes of water and wetter (where required) by 50% to reduce the incidence ofleaf burn.

Avoid making foliar applications during hot weather (greater than 25oC) and ensure the crop is not under moisture stress.



Another point worth noting ... is that many trace elements... iron, copper & zinc, in particular... aren't taken up effectively through foliar spraying... in comparison to uptake via solution in the fish/sump tank..


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