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APHIDS in GB's -- Do they drown easily??
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Oct 3rd, '14, 12:16 ]
Post subject:  APHIDS in GB's -- Do they drown easily??
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It's a wonder there is no heading " AP Pests " and no , not me, but the likes of aphids..

I pulled out the plants with a load of APHIDS, as it had run it's time, but I could see many on the clay balls..

Just wondering if a heavy flood would drown any remaining in the bed media..

I washed them into the bed , as best can, and then flooded for 30Mins..

Planning to get some Lace Wings, but it is kinda difficult, spending say $20 , to save $20 worth of produce.. :oops:

I suppose that is our dilemma.. the cost of Biological Control can be more than the value of what we eat..
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Oct 6th, '14, 04:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: APHIDS in GB's -- Do they drown easily??
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As no one answered, I can but suggest that they do..
I hosed them deeper into the clay balls and forced a deep flood for about 15min.. :thumbleft: no sign of survivors..
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Author:  bcotton [ Oct 6th, '14, 10:10 ]
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It's unlikely you will ever get rid of aphid. The water will knock them off the plants but they will climb back up.

Some people release ladybugs or plant flowers that attract ladybugs like assylum.

Personally, when i start seeing signs of aphids i sprinkle some diatomaceous earth on the plants and on teh gravel around the plants and it seems to keep them at bay
Author:  dasboot [ Oct 9th, '14, 20:41 ]
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As per your title...If you hold the little f....kers under water by the throat, seriously i get absolutely hammered by black,green and white aphids,the only thing for me here in Thailand is Tobacco spray,i take a lump of rough cut baccy,soak it in water for 24hrs,strain it off then dilute and spray,for me it reduces the numbers.
This time around i am trying companion planting,aphids don’t like quite a range of plants,onions and mint for two,so i am planting these throughout the beds to see what happens along with the garlic and baccy sprays.
Author:  salles [ Oct 9th, '14, 21:11 ]
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bcotton wrote:
It's unlikely you will ever get rid of aphid. The water will knock them off the plants but they will climb back up.

Some people release ladybugs or plant flowers that attract ladybugs like assylum.

Personally, when i start seeing signs of aphids i sprinkle some diatomaceous earth on the plants and on teh gravel around the plants and it seems to keep them at bay



assylum = Alyssum?
Author:  BuiDoi [ Oct 10th, '14, 04:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: APHIDS in GB's -- Do they drown easily??
bcotton wrote:
It's unlikely you will ever get rid of aphid. The water will knock them off the plants but they will climb back ..... i sprinkle some diatomaceous earth on the plants .....


In another area, I was cautioned about using DE because it could adversely affect fish stock..
And in yet another, I think there was a suggestion of corn flour as a degradable alternative..
And I think pure TALC, as another preference..

I found that spraying with thicker Season, Nitrosol, or SeaWeed extract will kill (smother) the adults but not the babies.. who seem so tightly packed that they form their own environment..
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Author:  Stuart Chignell [ Oct 10th, '14, 06:01 ]
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I had masses of aphids but now I can't find any. Lots of lavewings, hover flies, lady beetles but no aphids :thumbright:

They have just gone.

Slugs on the other hand...
Author:  tom77 [ Oct 10th, '14, 09:31 ]
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dasboot wrote:
As per your title...If you hold the little f....kers under water by the throat, seriously i get absolutely hammered by black,green and white aphids,the only thing for me here in Thailand is Tobacco spray,i take a lump of rough cut baccy,soak it in water for 24hrs,strain it off then dilute and spray,for me it reduces the numbers.
This time around i am trying companion planting,aphids don’t like quite a range of plants,onions and mint for two,so i am planting these throughout the beds to see what happens along with the garlic and baccy sprays.


Keep an eye on that mint.. it can be very invasive, the roots can get into everything apparently..
Author:  dasboot [ Oct 10th, '14, 14:16 ]
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You are so right tom77,but i am willing to grow it especially in the dwc if it wards off the scourge that is aphids and not only that the locals can’t grow it as i can in AP so its easy to sell.
Author:  TeeCeeKay [ Oct 10th, '14, 16:11 ]
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I've got to agree with you about wondering why there isn't a topic called "AP Pests". Being new to all this I have been actively using the search facility over the months to try to find answers to the myriad probs/questions that come up as you establish a system.
I suppose there has to be a limit to the number of topics. The incredible amount of knowledge that you can draw upon in this forum, from all over the planet, might be too diverse to properly index.
Concerning the little beggars blighting your bounty, I'm leaning towards those who advocate companion planting and patience. Nature tends to home in and bring balance by inviting the lady bugs/beetles, lace wings etc to come and enjoy the scabby insects that plague us. I have found that the aphids that troubled me at the beginning have disappeared as a combination of spring onions and garlic and hungry bugs fixed them up.
What I would really like to know is how I can get rid of the ever multiplying green caterpillars that are destroying my kale. No natural balance seems to be happening there. I enjoy kale but have continued to grow them purely as the sacrificial plant that protects the rest of my plants from being devoured. I would like to replace the decimated waste of kale with kale seedlings but cannot justify spending on something that is just going to be caterpillar fodder. My wife doesn't want even dipel put on the plants to protect them. Wow, I think I've dribbled a bit. Sorry about the length of this.
Author:  BuiDoi [ Oct 25th, '14, 11:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: APHIDS in GB's -- Fixes that work
http://www.ehow.com/how_7617953_homemade-organic-pesticide-vegetables.html

Quote:
Instructions

Garlic Pesticide
1

Puree 15 garlic cloves and 1 pint of water in a food processor or blender.
2

Strain the mixture through cheesecloth into a clean spray bottle.
3

Spray the tops and undersides of all leaves.
4

Repeat every few days until the pests are gone.
Rubbing Alcohol Pesticide
5

Mix ½ cup rubbing alcohol with 1 quart of liquid soap directly into a spray bottle.
6

Spray on vegetable plant leaves. Allow to sit for 20 minutes.
7

Spray plants with clear water to minimize foliage damage.
8

Spray every three days for two weeks.
Orange Peel Pesticide
9

Pour boiling water over orange peels.
10

Allow it to steep for 24 hours.
11

Remove the peels and strain the mixture.
12

Mix in a few drops of castile soap.
13

Spray on plants as needed.
Horseradish Pesticide
14

Boil 2 quarts of water.
15

Add 2 cups of cayenne peppers and a 1-inch piece of horseradish root.
16

Allow mixture to steep for one hour. Let cool.
17

Strain mixture. Pour into spray bottle.
18

Spray on plants to eliminate aphids, beetles, caterpillars and whiteflies.
Rhubarb Pesticide
19

Boil 1 lb. of rhubarb leaves in a few pints of water for 20 minutes. Allow it to cool.
20

Strain into a container.
21

Add a small amount of dish detergent to allow the mixture to adhere to vegetable plants.
22

Spray on plants to kill aphids and spider mites.
Tomato Leaf Pesticide
23

Soak 2 cups of tomato leaves in water overnight.
24

Strain the mixture and add 1 pint of fresh water and ½ tsp. of liquid soap.
25

Spray foliage and soil to control asparagus beetles, flea beetles and earworms.

Tips & Warnings

According to the Fraser Info website, alcohol sprays work on aphids, mealybugs, scale insects, thrips and whiteflies.

Rubbing alcohol can be caustic to the eyes. Wear protective glasses when spraying plants.

According to Colorado State University, dry dish soaps and all clothes-washing detergents are too harsh to be used on plants and should not be used as organic pesticides on vegetables or other plants.

The Canadian Broadcasting Company warns gardeners to not ingest rhubarb spray, which contains high amounts of oxalic acid and can have serious effects on the heart.



I found some super-dried GARLIC in the pantry, and munched it up and boiled it and sprayed on a group of APHIDS.. and I think that all they did was move
SO... not sure about that one..

FRESH may be a lot better as it might have more of the sulphur compounds that I suspect do the work..
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Author:  BuiDoi [ Nov 9th, '14, 18:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: APHIDS in GB's -- Do they drown easily??
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Well... what have we found that actually works..

I tried the Rhubarb leaves thing and they asked for seconds..

The garlic thing and they thought it was raining..

The hose thing did work but very temporary..
But
The Neem thing does work... ECO-Neem...

Strangely it is the broccoli that has massive problems, but the Neem seems to be really geting on top of them, but you have to actually spray them all.. :headbang:
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Author:  Bedlore [ Nov 9th, '14, 22:39 ]
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I brought a bottle of wood vinegar from herer http://www.woodvinegar.com.au although haven't yet had occasion to use it, but it won't be too long I'm sure.
Author:  Charlie [ Nov 9th, '14, 23:00 ]
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Dont forget with aphids that in most cases there are ants that are harbouring them. Control the ants first and that will give you a fighting chance.

Ive also realised over time that they seem to come and go. One year I got smashed by them and then for two years after they never showed up and then the following they came back etc. Everytime they were present, so were ants.
Author:  Ronmaggi [ Nov 10th, '14, 01:39 ]
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I find that smearing the aphid infested leaves with my thumb leaves a nice coating of aphid bits, that does a lot to keep the future aphids away...
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