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PostPosted: Jun 4th, '13, 07:52 
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"Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.'s job"

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"If you put a label on genetically engineered food you might as well put a skull and crossbones on it." - Norman Braksick, president of Asgrow Seed Co., a subsidiary of Monsanto, quoted in the Kansas City Star, March 7, 1994

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It's not at all difficult to find evidence of the failures of GM tech. From the drastic effects of the crops to the abysmal idea of letting GM tech companies run their own safety checks, the Web is rife with evidence.

Here's some just from the 1st page of a search...
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A study published in September in The Food & Chemical Toxicology Journal found that rats fed Monsanto’s genetically modified corn over several months showed significant health problems including premature death and tumors
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The study found that over half of the male rats and 70 percent of the females who were fed a lifetime of Monsanto’s corn died prematurely with significant liver and kidney damage. Scientists also found the rats to contain cancerous tumors so large they blocked organ function. While numerous studies have examined their short-term impact, this is the first ever study to examine the long-term effects of eating GMOs

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In a new research(1) published in the highly ranked scientific journal Toxicology, Robin Mesnage, Benoit Bernay and Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini, from the University of Caen, France, have proven (from a study of nine Roundup-like herbicides) that the most toxic compound is not glyphosate, which is the substance the most assessed by regulatory authorities, but a compound that is not always listed on the label, called POE-15. Modern methods were applied at the cellular level (on three human cell lines), and mass spectrometry (studies on the nature of molecules). This allowed the researchers to identify and analyse the effects of these compounds.

Context: Glyphosate is supposed to be the "active ingredient" of Roundup, the most widely used herbicide in the world, and it is present in a large group of Roundup-like herbicides. It has been safety tested on mammals for the purposes of regulatory risk assessment.

But the commercial formulations of these pesticides as they are sold and used contain added ingredients (adjuvants). These are often classified confidential and described as "inerts". However, they help to stabilize the chemical compound glyphosate and help it to penetrate plants, in the manner of corrosive detergents. The formulated herbicides (including Roundup) can affect all living cells, especially human cells.

This danger is overlooked because glyphosate and Roundup are treated as the same by industry and regulators in long-term studies.

The supposed non-toxicity of glyphosate serves as a basis for the commercial release of Roundup. The health and environmental agencies and pesticide companies assess the long-term effects on mammals of glyphosate alone, and not the full formulation. The details of this regulatory assessment are jealously kept confidential by companies like Monsanto and health and environmental agencies.


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Researchers from the University of Caen in France reported that rats fed on a diet of GM Maize tolerant to NK603 Roundup or given water containing the said herbicide at levels permitted in drinking water in the US experienced death earlier than usual as compared to those rats fed on a standard diet. The researchers also discovered that the study group also developed mammary tumors and severe kidney and liver damage.

The said study, conducted by a team of researchers headed by Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini, a molecular biologist and co-director of the Risk Quality and Sustainable Environment Unit at the University of Caen, is believed to be the very first long-term animal feeding trial on mice in order to evaluate the effects of Roundup herbicide and the Roundup tolerant GM Maize. The said study analyzed 10 groups of mice, composed of 10 males and 10 females each, and followed over their normal lifetime, which is an average of two years. Previous feeding trials required by regulatory bodies in the US only required a 90-day feeding trial for approval of new GM crops and products.

Of the study groups, three were given Roundup in their drinking water at three different levels that are consistent with the normal exposure of the food chain in areas where the herbicide is being used. Another three groups were fed with diets that contain NK603 at 11 percent, 22 percent and 33 percent in terms of proportion. Another three groups were given both NK603 and Roundup at the same three dosages. A final control group was given an equivalent diet that contained no NK603 or Roundup but containing 33 percent of the equivalent of non-GM Maize.

Results showed that both NK603 and Roundup caused the same damage to the rats health when either one is consumed or both. The study showed that the female rats developed mammary tumors and pituitary disorders. The male rats showed liver damage and developed skin and kidney tumors. Up to 50 percent of the male rats and 70 percent of the females died prematurely. Other results found include 50 percent to 80 percent of the rats developing tumors 2 to 3 times more than the control group, of which only 30 percent were affected. The first tumors were seen to have developed in the 4th month of the study in males and on the 7th month in females. In the control group, the first tumors were seen after 14 months in the female control group and on the 23th month for the males.


Note several things from these reports of the same study:
- prior to this, NO LONG TERM STUDY had been conducted.
- the testing in the industry was NOT done on Roundup but used a single constituent to claim safety.
- there is no difference in effect from drinking the poison or eating the corn.
- the University found effects starting at 4 months into the testing - strangely Monsanto tests are only required to be 90 days...

Wanna bet Monsanto knows the problems and has used their influence to get the rules changed to allow only short term testing as proof of safety?

Check GM Crops PDF - lots of comments backed up 3.5 pages, double column, references.

There is PLENTY of evidence of what Monsanto and other GM companies are doing, and even a tiny amount of reading on the subject of biodiversity, or a basic understanding of the benefits of sex in any living population is enough to show the logic flaw in mono-culture in crops.

But wait, there's more - not only a free set of steak knives but dead cows to use them on.

And the we get to the troublesome subject of controls - Monsanto has done quite a number of 'pilot' tests in various countries and the 'leak' every time. None of the savfeguards meant to protect us from possible harm work - the GM crops ALWAYS infest normal crops and even non-food plants in nearby areas, mostly downwind but also via insect and animal carriers in other directions.


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It's too large to post and reducing it to fit makes it too hard to read, so please click the link to see just WHY Monsanto gets away with murder. There should be laws to prevent such relationships from being able to affect the health and safety of humans OR animals.
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Batty wrote:
I'm not going to admonish a field of research because a few companies are run by the devil.


That's one of the funnier comments I've read in a while Batty... :lol:

I guess the typical attitude monsanto likes people to have about any of their detractors, "just hippy tree huggers, not backed by science, just emotion."

Have a read about Árpád Pusztai and see what happens when a scientist makes a negative comment about GMO research.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/200 ... ionprofile


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Journeyman, I know that study and it's shit. They didn't follow basic scientific protocols. It was something like 10 control rats and and absurd amount of test rats. Not to mention using a breed of rat that has the highest tumor rate which expounds how much the lack of comparative control skews the %'s.

Also, Monsanto is not the personification of GMo research. It is an evil corporation. Protest Monsanto and the like, not the technology.


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Did I ever say I'm against GMo label? Or against muuuch more research prior to human consumption? Or pro anything Monsanto? No so why does every response seem to assume any of these.

Some black and white perceptive people if you can't understand my point... at the very least respond to my point and not throw blanket responses at me.


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I responded not because you are promoting or agreeing with Monsanto but because you said there is a ‘lack of evidence’ – that is not the case.

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Again, all I find is lack of evidence on either side. The anti-GMO's play to much on emotion and "we don't know" which makes me skeptical. I'm not going to admonish a field of research because a few companies are run by the devil.


If you read the EFSA criticism of the Caen University study you find some interesting tidbits such as
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Among other criticisms, the panel of EFSA scientists that reviewed the paper said the authors had failed to establish appropriate control groups as part of the study, and had chosen a strain of rat that is prone to developing tumors during its normal lifespan.
"Therefore, EFSA concludes that the study as reported does not impact the ongoing re-evaluation of glyphosate and does not see a need to reopen the existing safety evaluation of maize NK603," the panel concluded.

Note that just as stated in one of my earlier quotes, the official line is that Roundup IS glyphosate and they are trying to maintain the safety of Roundup and GM plants with Roundup resistance based on that equivalence.

The claims made by EFSA are not backed by anything other than rhetoric and the Uni Scientists (who have actually done some testing and are not just Bureaucrats sitting in a cushy Govt job) are demanding the EFSA release THEIR methodology used to declare Roundup to be safe for human consumption.

And even if they DID use a strain of lab rats prone to tumours, that does NOT invalidate the results. Have a read of the actual research and note for yourself just how many of those rats developed tumours – and the most certainly ran a control group.

Check here… Caen Uni study

It's just more double-speak from people being paid off to bamboozle those who don't understand enough Science to tell when they are being fed a line. The study itself compares the control rats with those in various categories - it doesn't matter HOW prone the rats are to tumours if the control group always get significantly less tumours.

But most people have been short-changed on their Science - they think a lab coat automatically makes someone correct. Getting to a level where you can understand the BS being fed across the media streams is not something most people can achieve without learning, and the learning experience for most was made so unpleasant they are reluctant to do it again.

And so the MSM gets to spout pure BS regularly and have it believed as gospel by the sheeple.


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Journeyman, I know that study and it's shit. They didn't follow basic scientific protocols. It was something like 10 control rats and and absurd amount of test rats. Not to mention using a breed of rat that has the highest tumor rate which expounds how much the lack of comparative control skews the %'s.

Also, Monsanto is not the personification of GMo research. It is an evil corporation. Protest Monsanto and the like, not the technology.


There have been many studies that do things like this, including the one(?) study done that says removal of foreskin helps prevent aids..... which was one study done on 60 guys in africa in the 1980's.

I would personally say, protest both, GMO is not a bad thing for people, i dont mind if they stuff GMO into humans from now on, however the pollen/DNA should NOT be allowed into the wider world, infact GMO should be grown on mars, kept off earth all together.
it is not the couple of cancers that GMO will cause that will cause the problems, it is when all plants, natural or not have GMO genes in them because of cross-pollination.

that and the "poison, poison resistant plant, more poison" cycle that they are creating.


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@Yavimaya - which is why I brought in the subject of biodiversity and monocultures.

But GM ingestion DOES matter in humans just as it matters in what we eat. Gene splicing is new but we already know enough to know that almost always, it is critical WHERE in the chromosome you place the gene, and I have yet to see any such controls being talked about with GM tech.

And it is far more than a few extra cancers - go to the PDF link I posted earlier and have a read - it isn't very long and has a host of references to back up what it says.

GM is already dangerous and you only have to see the laws being passed to protect Monsanto (and others) from ANY type of responsibility to realise there is something VERY smelly in Denmark... well the USA and the GM world to be more accurate.

The other link I gave to Monsanto-Government explains just WHY such legislation is being passed. A basic understanding of how the USA wields its power across the world will help understand why places like the EU are so gung-ho on doing the bidding of US Corporations, even if we ignore the corruption side of things.


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@Yavimaya - which is why I brought in the subject of biodiversity and monocultures.

But GM ingestion DOES matter in humans just as it matters in what we eat. Gene splicing is new but we already know enough to know that almost always, it is critical WHERE in the chromosome you place the gene, and I have yet to see any such controls being talked about with GM tech.

And it is far more than a few extra cancers - go to the PDF link I posted earlier and have a read - it isn't very long and has a host of references to back up what it says.

GM is already dangerous and you only have to see the laws being passed to protect Monsanto (and others) from ANY type of responsibility to realise there is something VERY smelly in Denmark... well the USA and the GM world to be more accurate.

The other link I gave to Monsanto-Government explains just WHY such legislation is being passed. A basic understanding of how the USA wields its power across the world will help understand why places like the EU are so gung-ho on doing the bidding of US Corporations, even if we ignore the corruption side of things.


Sorry, my responce was purely to the thing i quoted.
I havent read any other posts in here in a couple of weeks.


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Um, this is basically Canada's version of The Onion. Funny, but nothing to actually worry about. At least not yet.


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For those interested - there is a March Against Monsanto in Perth on Saturday 12th October:

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I'm going along - anyone else ? I'm going alone at this stage so would be cool to meet some other APers.


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