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 Post subject: Re: Potassium.
PostPosted: Aug 20th, '08, 16:03 
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RupertofOZ wrote:
Seasol is only really a nitrogen fertiliser... useful as a foliar spray... and some people put it into the tank as an extra "nitrogen" source to supplement the fish nutrients.
Are you sure?

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Seasol is a dynamic growth stimulant and plant tonic, it is not by definition a fertiliser. Scientific trials and field observations over many years have proven its value as a means of promoting healthy vigorous growth in plants, improving resistance to insect and fungal attack, and reducing the symptoms of stress from excessive heat, frost damage and transplanting.
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The manufacturing process used to extract the liquid concentrate is also unique. Seasol is the only seaweed extract in Australia to have the naturally occurring growth stimulants scientifically identified, and this work, conducted by the Australian National University, has been published and is recognised worldwide.
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WHAT MAKES SEASOL DIFFERENT FROM A FERTILISER ?

Nitrogen based fertilisers are often highly soluble and the plant cannot regulate how much it takes up. If confused nitrogen stimulates extensive growth which results in a weakening of the cell wall if used too frequently, or at too higher rate.

By contrast, Seasol promotes cell division as well as cell elongation and this, along with thicker cell walls, renders the plant much less prone to sucking insects and fungal pathogens, which must pierce the cell to inflict their damage.

Another difference between Seasol and a fertiliser, is that Seasol is a balanced formulation containing many trace elements, amino acids, vitamins and other compounds essential for plant growth.

Every known trace element is found in Bull Kelp.


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 Post subject: Re: Potassium.
PostPosted: Aug 20th, '08, 16:46 
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VB Got some granulated potassium carbonate for free from Bayside Chemicals before they closed down.
Bugger they have closed, but is an indication that it should be available enough. I'll be trying wine suppliers first.


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 Post subject: Re: Potassium.
PostPosted: Aug 20th, '08, 20:06 
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Very little nitrogen in seasol.

http://www.seasol.com.au/images/assets/PDFs/Seasol_Retail_1_7_2007.pdf


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PostPosted: Aug 20th, '08, 20:14 
I'm not knocking the product at all.. in anyway Novaris.... heck I've got a 4ltr bottle downstairs... :lol:

I'll stand corrected in terms of it's Potassium content ...higher than I had thought ...

Here's the company analysis... http://www.seasol.com.au/images/assets/ ... 7_2007.pdf

And for Maxicrop...

http://www.multicrop.com.au/MSDS/Maxicrop%20SPFC-ref-1005.pdf wrote:
Maxicrop® Seaweed Extract; Nitrogen; Phosphorus; Potassium;
Active Constituents Qty : 70.0 g/L; 46.0 g/L; 12.0 g/L; 31.0 g/L


Although they use different measures... so comparison is hard...

Used both... both are great ..... IMHO... got better results from Maxicrop...


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PostPosted: Aug 20th, '08, 20:23 
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Better from maxicrop? My local bunnings has just started to stock it - so I'll chuck some of that in next :)

2 litre casks of seasol dont last long in 8000 litres.


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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 08:31 
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RupertofOZ wrote:
Seasol is only really a nitrogen fertiliser... useful as a foliar spray... and some people put it into the tank as an extra "nitrogen" source to supplement the fish nutrients..
This is the part I was questioning. Seasol is not a good source of either nitrogen or phosphorus it is not a plant food. Its more like Ginseng for plants it has growth strengthening/stimulating effects but they cant live off it.

The NPK ratio of Seasol is 2:1:40 at recommended application dilution it provides 0.022g/L of nitrogen.

Maxicrop is a fertilizer NPK ratio 8:2:5 from MSDS
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Maxicrop Seaweed plant Food Concentrate is a general purpose
plant food for application to leaves or roots. The seaweed extract
contains over 60 trace elements, minerals and naturally occurring
growth factors that are important for plant growth and
development. The seaweed is fortified with added Nitrogen,
Phosphorus and Potassium.

Note the sentence - The seaweed is fortified with added Nitrogen,
Phosphorus and Potassium.

So they are for completely different purposes.

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How often can I apply Seasol?

A one-off Seasol treatment will provide significant benefits, however regular applications (eg. fortnightly or monthly) produce best results. Unlike fertilizers, Seasol can be applied all year round, even in winter and at the height of summer.


You would be better of comparing maxicrop to the seasol & powerfeed combination. Again from the FAQ
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What is the difference between Seasol and PowerFeed?

Seasol is made from pure Bull Kelp. It is not, by definition, a fertiliser (as it contains only marginal nitrogen and phosphorus levels), however it is a dynamic stimulant which improves the root system and increases the reproductive capacity, thereby increasing the number of flowers per plant as well as the flowering season.

PowerFeed is a fertiliser. It has a fish base which is fortified with nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. The ratio of which is 12:1.4:7 respectively. PowerFeed also contains dynamic soil improvers in the form of humic acids. These compounds work at very low rates and are literally like adding liquid composts to the soil. As well as being a quality fertiliser, PowerFeed is also a clay breaker. It stimulates beneficial soil microbial activity and markedly reduces leaching in sandy soils.


But in an aquaponic system why not just add more fish :D


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 Post subject: Re: Potassium.
PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 14:35 
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I assume that there would be something in the powerfeed that is toxic - being a fertilizer


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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 14:47 
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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 14:57 
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So whats in powerfeed that is not in maxicrop?


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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 16:47 
novaris wrote:
So whats in powerfeed that is not in maxicrop?


This according to the website... http://www.seasol.com.au/images/assets/ ... t_2002.pdf

Don't think anybody has attributed any "toxic" affect to using Seasol...

And yup Novaris.... never meant to imply that Seasol was a "complete" plant food...

I've always used it as a foliar spray... as you say a "tonic".... others have said that they used it (partly) as a source of Nitrogen...

Although by the analysis, there wouldn't seem be much benefit in that... unless it was the product that incorporated the "Powerfeed"....

Always used Maxicrop to good effect in my soil gardens... and a dash or two every now and then in hydro.... with great results....

Obviously due to the "added" fertiliser.... something that was never represented in the past... was always touted as "pure" seaweed extract....

Although I've noticed the (Australian) range has grown in recent years to include additional Iron, Humioc acid... etc...


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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 17:07 
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I don't rely on any supplement. If I see a problem I fix it. But I mix up a 'brew' every now and then.

Per Month:
~1/2 cup Seasol
1 teaspoon chelated iron
1 teaspoon potassium sulphate OR potassium nitrate (hard to get)
1/2 teaspoon copper sulphate (careful with this one if you have yabbies or marron)

Whole lot goes in a bucket of water. And I slowly add it to the top of the growbeds, around the plants during the fill cycle.


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Why the copper sulphate Tim?


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PostPosted: Aug 21st, '08, 20:13 
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He must like making them pretty crystals on a string :D


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PostPosted: Aug 23rd, '08, 20:42 
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FYI an ebay seller has pure potassium nitrate for sale...........................

no i'm not buying it, but the Iron oxide and aluminium power yes i will be ;) :)


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Making thermite are we Steveo. Silly boy 8)


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