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PostPosted: Dec 7th, '12, 06:22 
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I don't know enough about microbiology to make a fair assessment, to be honest. I would think that if worms are ingesting the poop, or crawling around in it, then they have a potential to have these harmful bacteria on/in them, so I don't know if purging/rinsing them would be enough. But like I said, im not a microbiologist, so I prefer to err on the side of caution, especially when it comes to feeding my family.


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I don't know enough about microbiology to make a fair assessment, to be honest. I would think that if worms are ingesting the poop, or crawling around in it, then they have a potential to have these harmful bacteria on/in them, so I don't know if purging/rinsing them would be enough. But like I said, im not a microbiologist, so I prefer to err on the side of caution, especially when it comes to feeding my family.


Fair enough. I will let you know how my outcome goes but Im letting my worm colony get established befre I start pulling them out to feed.

IMO there are some easy thing to do that would prevent this problem if it does arise. Soaking the worms in colloidal silver or a diluted tinctured oregano will kill all the above mentioned pathogens like ecoli salmonella etc in 6 min, guaranteed, 95% will be killed in 2 min. I could provide links but dont want to go through the effort. I dont know if these steps would be necessarry but we shall see


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grunta wrote:
I dont think e-coli or salmonella will be a concern with feeding worms to your fish in a healthy system, lots of worms and animal poop (and human poop) get washed into dams and streams naturally so i wouldn't be concerned personally with feeding any type of earth worms to your fish from rabbits or guinea pigs, you could age the chicken manure, well i guess I would.

I am doing something similar with rabbits and aquaponics, and I have a small colony of guinea pigs, just dont know if I can dispatch the guinea pigs, the guinea pigs are easy enough to feed from the kitchen and the garden/veggie patch but I think rabbits are a bit harder to source natural feed for especially breeding does, they go through a lot of feed and you want to be sure its good quality feed.

great thread guys, I look forward to seeing how you go.

cheers.

Grunta.



Let me know what guinea pig tastes like, it seems very close to rat - ugh ... but they are way easier than rabbits.
That said I spend very little time per day tending to my rabbits, which are delecious! And quail breed all summer when the rabbits dont....


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I have seen several studies showing that composting worms can reduce human pathogens. Basically "good" bacteria outcompetes the "bad" ones.
Here's some research.
http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/michel/csu.pdf


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Yep.. worms are marvelous little creatures...


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historically maggots have also been known and used to reduce pathogenic bacteria

Apparently physicians in Napoleon's army used the larvae to clean wounds. Now they've even coined the term 'Maggot Therapy' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy)

here's a medical study done: http://jmm.sgmjournals.org/content/57/5/617.full


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..oh just read some more however:

"In vitro studies have shown that maggots inhibit and destroy a wide range of pathogenic bacteria including methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), group A and B streptococci, and Gram-positive aerobic and anaerobic strains. Other bacteria like Pseudomonas aeruginosa, E.coli or Proteus spec are not attacked by maggots and in case of Pseudomonas even the maggots are in danger."

that's a shame


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primelife wrote:
TCLynx wrote:
I recommend against using fresh warm blooded animal poo in aquaponics since you could be introducing pathogens into your aquaponics.


Dont you think since he is not putting the poop directly into the system that the worms and minnows will process it and be fine for the fish as long as there healthy? Kind of like nature ...

Im curious if you should sun dry the poop before feeding it to the minnows, then fast the minnows a few days before feeding them to the catfish....I didnt even know you could do that so keep us updated. The worms will be fine just purge them first on cornmeal or coffe or granulated molassis etc.

Dont forget moringa trees to add to your duckweed! they complement each other very well.


I'm wondering the same thing. From a gardening perspective, goat poo and rabbit poo are two of the manures they say can be put directly on your veggies without composting first. I'm brand new to aquaponics, though, so I don't know what different issues might be involved there.

I personally would be more concerned about the poultry manure. Not from a disease perspective, but poultry manure is HOT! It will burn plants and needs to be composted before applying to anything. Worms don't like it in high quantities, either.

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