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the spangles and rainbows don't seem to eat it. The rainbows eat the duckweed, but there are so few fish that it takes them a while.


My tilapia adore it. Can't produce it fast enough yet. I found some at a nursery and practically covered the pond with it in hopes that it would multiply fast enough to be a good supplementary feed. Was gone the next day! I have since learned that to grow it separately in manure soaked shallow dams I can be introducing a plant that can give up to 45% protein because of the manure. I have done this - grown separately - but need to do it now on a much larger scale. Real free food.

They also love mulberrry leaves. I have so many mulberries growing naturally around the farm. Sometimes I have cut offshoots and put the whole branch in. They will eaven eat the bark at a push. An interesting thing I noticed was the branches sprouting leaves again while floating in the water! Mulberry leaves are considered highly nutritious - even a fodder for other stock animals in certain parts of the world.

I have tried lettuce - love it - cabbage - eat it last but do eat it - white stinkwood leaves - excellent fodder for wild game - the fish eat it - grapevine leaves - eat them.

A real favourite is the skin of a papaya I tossed in after enjoying the papaya. The little ones park themselves there as at a feeding station.

Also tried cornmeal that I have soaked in hot water until it swelled into a sort of cake and tipped in to sit as a sort of larder at the bottom. They liked that and it disappeared in a few days, but the oil seemed to cause a slick on the surface of the pond. Think it was that. Going to try again next summer.

I think the idea of sprouts is a wonderful idea. Going to try that when they are feeding more regularly again. My pond is open at the moment so in winter they slow down a lot. Not good for growth but building a Greenhouse out of electrical conduit now to cover them for starters.

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janetpelletier wrote:
First thing is to understand what your particular fish require. In my case, sub-adult and adult tilapia are pretty much herbivores, but the fry/fingerlings are more omnivores. So I will be starting out with a modest-protein-level commercial flake. I am going to try to make duckweed (ideal tilapia food from what I read) available as I can grow it, and sprouted seeds like oat, wheat or millet once I think they are big enough to handle it. Trimmings from the garden will be tried once we are in to dirt-garden season. I expect to rely on commercial food to some level, just because I'm too lazy to hand prepare all of the fishie meals as well as the family's. That said, I think by offering a variety of natural/homegrown foodsources, the potential deficiencies in one source would be overcome by the strengths in another.


I agree. I would say your first thought would be for high levels of protein if going for growth. Duckweed raised in manure tea, earthworms, maggots. I am interested to try meat scraps.... any thoughts anyone? Then a great variety of different offerings local to you will educate you on what they are taking and leaving. I believe the fish are selective according to need. I try and vary between leaves and fruit peelings and grains. I will definitely be trying sprouted seeds now too. My fish are extremely healthy. Very low maintenance. A pure joy. : )


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I have researched a lot of text's and DPI documents to formulate this recipe, however, I have written down these ingredients and ratios as a guide only. If you have a better understanding of what to feed your fish or more nutritional info, I'm all ears, but in this case I guess it's trial and error without an R&D team of scientists.
I think it's important to dry out all of your ingredients and grind them into powder the simple reason is once they are bound together they are hard to separate. Making feed from wet ingredients are hard to dry out with consistency when they're combined. Australias major fish feed manufacturer combines dry powdered ingredients and fillers with water (of all things) and air blown ovens to make their product. Being an ex employee I'm reluctant to mention their name and/or any specific processes they use. I will say that unless you buy a pallet of their product it's hard to get anywhere, now you should know whom I'm talking about. I signed a confidentiality agreement before I started their which would allow them to take the shirt off my back if I say too much. I plan on using these recipes to feed barra, perch and crays. I'm going to dedicate tanks and crops to growing stock for these recipes and reducing my overall costs.

Carnivorous = 6:1:3 meat to vege to filler (low fibre, high protein)
Omnivorous = 4:3:3 meat to vege to filler (nice balance)
Herbivorous = 0:6:4 meat to vege to filler (high fibre, low protein)
Young fish = 8:1:1 meat to vege to filler (ultra high protein)

Vege powder (dehydrated and ground into powder)
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Examples: spinach, zucchini, chickpeas, green peas, etc.

Fish powder (dehydrated and ground into powder)
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Examples: brine shrimp, cray heads/shells, guppies, fish heads/bones, etc.

Insect powder (dehydrated and ground into powder)
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Examples: Mealworms, flys, cockroaches, beetles, mosquito & larvae, etc.

All of these examples are quite easy and inexpensive to breed/grow

Fillers
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Examples: wheat meal, brown rice (ground and boiled), soybean meal, etc.

Using the ratios as a guide blend the powders you have made together Combined with raw egg till the mix resembles bread dough. (So it doesn't stick to your hands/spoon)
Flatten the mix out on a baking tray 5mm thick place in oven on the lowest possible setting (less than or exactly 100 degrees C). Bake until the mix is hard enough that you can't make a dent with your finger. Take out of oven and allow to cool. Cut into squares 10mm-20mm sq. place your squares into a freezer bag/container and store in freezer. I would advise the entire mix be frozen, allowing moisture from the air to return to the pellets as it's thawing out. This will make it easier for the fish to nibble on.

Live food
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Earthworms
Flour 75%, fish food flakes (high in vitamins and minerals) 20%, yeast 5%(don't make tequila)

Take your worms out of the ground and place them in a mixture of flour, fish food and a small amount of yeast mixed in together give the worms a day or two so they can fill themselves up with the mixture and excrete the matter they were eating when you pulled them out of the ground. This will reduce the chance of bad things being fed to your fish. Earthworms will eat anything and sometimes it may be harmful to your fish, although I have no hard evidence to prove it, it's merely an assumption.

If anyone tries this approach I'd like to know personally how it went and how the fish responded to it, please pm me with details.


Wow..... Excellent posting. Thank you.


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I must have missed that. Good to know!


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Where did he get the lupins?


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PostPosted: Jul 15th, '09, 10:52 
Another great source of fat and protein is the Black Soldier Fly... discussed throughout the forum...

And recent trials in Wales UK... have successfully grown out Rainbow Trout based on a fish meal free feed made from polychaete worms... segmented marine worms... commonly known as "bristle worms"... (i.e sand worms... used as bait here in Australia)

http://www.dragonfeeds.com/brochures/trout_brochure.pdf

http://www.dragonfeeds.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=100

http://www.dragonfeeds.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=75

They have also developed feeds for bream, bass and sole, and shrimp.... based on the same ingredient source...

Polychaete worms are closely related to leeches and earthworms ...


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Wow!

Being new to AP and having success with trout so far, I've been growing increasingly concerned about the overall "footprint" of my operation - I got into AP to make our household food supply more sustainable, but the thought that it's increasing our reliance on wild-caught fish (for the trout feed) has really troubled me.

Needless to say I'm greatly encouraged by Dragon Feeds!

Now, the campaign for getting such fish food produced in Australia...


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PostPosted: Jul 16th, '09, 20:32 
Jimmy. Applied Nutrition does, or at least did , produce an certified organic non fishmeal Silver Perch feed...

I've talked to michael about the possibility of producing a trout feed... and his response was...

That it wasn't a problem to do... the problem is the economics...

In order to make it worthwhile he needs to produce a minimum quantity each run... and then sell it...

Turnover of the product is an important part of the equation... as the feed doesn't include the preservatives and stabilisers that current commercial feeds contain...

Lack of support and quantity of sales, saw a large amount of the last production run of the Silver Perch feed sit in the warehouse unsold and begin to spoil...

Unless he can convince some of the larger aquaculturalists to take up the product on a regular basis... he probably wont continue to produce the product...


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I heard Tilapia like Duckweed. I have a pond that got contaminated with the stuff several years ago and we lost all our catfish because of not getting sunlight. We thought it was a disaster and we would have to drain the pond since we couldnt get rid of it. Now I hear Tilapia like it. Is that true?


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PostPosted: Jul 20th, '09, 10:30 
Most fish will eat Duckweed... and it's high in protein.... many references to "Duckweed" throughout the forum... try a search for it... :wink:


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