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i recon if people want to run cold water fish in a warm climate or warm water fish in a cold climate the only way to do it economically is to have a 2 tank system, one in the garage or something, well insulated and CLOSED off to the GB's only running a biofilter. Then once per week (or whatever amount of time it take for the nitrates to max out do a 100% water change to the rest of the AP system.

That way you will oly be inputting p[ower to cool or heat the losses to ambient (low if well insulated) and the weekly 100% water changes.

if you have to raise 1000l change out water by say 5C it would take about 2.5 hr and around $1.10 with the system i'm doing.

Author:	Food&Fish [ Sep 30th, '07, 18:47 ]
Post subject:	silvers
jim from kangaroo ground fish is selling out he has only 2000 silvers left 4 to 5 in about $2.00 ea will be all gone by xmas if nobody buys the business it will be all broken up and sold nows your chance

Author:	steve [ Sep 30th, '07, 18:48 ]
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you beat me to it F&F, i was busy buy doing heat exchanger calcs for you!

Author:	Food&Fish [ Sep 30th, '07, 18:54 ]
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steve wrote: you beat me to it F&F, i was busy buy doing heat exchanger calcs for you! At least you got your priority s right

Author:	savage_goldfish [ Sep 30th, '07, 19:42 ]
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I really should get organized! They are cheap! The local pet store has got some in and I was admiring them, they are only about 2 to 3 inches and they want about $10 each for them! They can't work out why no one will buy them! I asked how much they were when they first came in and the assistant asked me how many I wanted so I said "If they are the right price, I'll take the whole tank full." (6 or 7 of them) Needles to say, she was disappointed when I told her she could keep them!

Author:	steve [ Sep 30th, '07, 19:44 ]
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lol, yeh the ones i got for 80 cents each were about 2 inches, the next day i saw them at the aquarium for $9.95. ROFL. I understand markup, but 10x lol, they also had a 500gm barra there......................$59.95 felt like saying dude, i can get this cheaper at the local fish monger

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Author:	tamo42 [ Sep 30th, '07, 20:56 ]
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Sounds like maybe one of you guys (or all together) should buy the shop and convert it to AP propoganda

Author:	savage_goldfish [ Oct 1st, '07, 07:32 ]
Post subject:	Re: silvers
Steve, said "lol, they also had a 500gm barra there......................$59.95 felt like saying dude, i can get this cheaper at the local fish monger" I see your barra and raise you to $300 for 8 inch barra! They can't seem to sell them ether! lol I wonder why!

Author:	Daniel [ Oct 1st, '07, 08:37 ]
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i saw a guy buy a rediculously expensive barra from a petstore the other day....so some people do buy them

Author:	steve [ Oct 1st, '07, 10:00 ]
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i imagine they would.

Author:	savage_goldfish [ Oct 1st, '07, 17:41 ]
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Makes you wonder, the heating would be worth it if you could sell them for 1/2 that. A little tank of barra might be worth a try....... 'course the goldies wouldn't like 'em! lol DH likes the idea of barra too. This could be a plan.......

Author:	EllKayBee [ Oct 1st, '07, 18:31 ]
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Monya did a load of barra last year....and kept us amused with all there antics

Author:	steve [ Oct 1st, '07, 19:28 ]
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i recon if people want to run cold water fish in a warm climate or warm water fish in a cold climate the only way to do it economically is to have a 2 tank system, one in the garage or something, well insulated and CLOSED off to the GB's only running a biofilter. Then once per week (or whatever amount of time it take for the nitrates to max out do a 100% water change to the rest of the AP system. That way you will oly be inputting p[ower to cool or heat the losses to ambient (low if well insulated) and the weekly 100% water changes. if you have to raise 1000l change out water by say 5C it would take about 2.5 hr and around $1.10 with the system i'm doing.

Author:	Food&Fish [ Oct 1st, '07, 19:32 ]
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steve wrote: i recon if people want to run cold water fish in a warm climate or warm water fish in a cold climate the only way to do it economically is to have a 2 tank system, one in the garage or something, well insulated and CLOSED off to the GB's only running a biofilter. Then once per week (or whatever amount of time it take for the nitrates to max out do a 100% water change to the rest of the AP system. That way you will oly be inputting p[ower to cool or heat the losses to ambient (low if well insulated) and the weekly 100% water changes. if you have to raise 1000l change out water by say 5C it would take about 2.5 hr and around $1.10 with the system i'm doing. Is that $1.10 a day

Author:	steve [ Oct 1st, '07, 19:40 ]
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No, per 1000L change out of water if you have to heat it up by 5C So in guess it depends on how often you have to do the 100% water change. $1.10 per 1000L water change + the daily keeping it warm cost. i couldnt give you a figure on the "keep warm" cost becasue it depends on so many variables, mostly how well insulated your tank is.

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