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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 15th, '12, 20:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Help New Fish |
I got 40 tilapia two day ago. I have started feeding two very small handful of aquamax. They don't seem to eat and food just floats. Ph is 7.6. Ammonia 2.0 PPM. There is a thin layer of algae inside tank, so maybe they are full. Temp is 84. They just seem to hide in the bottom of the tank, any suggestions? |
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| Author: | Charlie [ Jun 15th, '12, 21:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
I dont know much about talapia or aquamax but I watched this cool vid of bass feeding on aquamax here http://www.aquamaxbass.com/ My only question is that is the feed too big for them to eat? I suspect you have a smaller grade. Possibly its better to lay off the feed for a few days till they find comfort at there new home. |
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| Author: | helomech [ Jun 15th, '12, 21:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
I would not feed with ammoina at that level. |
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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 15th, '12, 22:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Help New Fish |
The first feeding seemed to go well. Even the smaller ones were eating pellets. Matter of fact the smaller ones were eating the most. When I put them in there was 0 nitrite o ammonia and nitrate was 20-40 PPM. I guess time will tell, unless someone has another suggestion. |
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| Author: | Dave Donley [ Jun 15th, '12, 22:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
Is the system cycling or cycled? What is the filtration setup for this system? |
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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 16th, '12, 00:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Help New Fish |
Dave Donley wrote: Is the system cycling or cycled? What is the filtration setup for this system? I did fish less cycling for three weeks using ammonia and letting plants start growing. I have about 20 plants and getting ready to add some more. I don't have any filtration I thought the plant were supposed to provide the filtration. |
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| Author: | keith [ Jun 16th, '12, 00:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
i would say that your cycling did not complete.. that's why you have high ammonia readings.. next will come high nitrite readings that will also be dangerous for the fish.. you may want to consider salting your system now to help the fish (3ppt is usually recommended) as recommended above, don't feed until your ammonia drops (the fish will be fine for a couple weeks!) |
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| Author: | scotty435 [ Jun 16th, '12, 00:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
I would follow keith's suggestion of salting the system. The salt will help with the Nitrite levels as the ammonia is converted. Tilapia are pretty durable but at a pH of 7.6 and Temp of 84 degrees with a TAN of 2mg/L your unionized ammonia levels will be toxic. Check the table at the middle of this page http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/images/graphics/totalammoniachart.jpg I would also look for and remove - 1. any feed that's still in the tank 2. any fish that may have died (they don't always float) |
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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 16th, '12, 01:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Help New Fish |
Both my ammonia and nitrite levels were zero for a few weeks prior adding fish I thought naturally the ammonia and nitrate levels would spike with addition of fish. I will try adding some salt and look forward to any other suggestions. |
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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 16th, '12, 01:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Help New Fish |
I was just reading that I can use egg whites any thoughts? Isn't this better than salt for plants |
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| Author: | GBHTREV [ Jun 16th, '12, 01:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
the salt will be ok with the plants unless you have strawberries in, you need to salt your system to 1-3ppt to help your fish, the salt will make them build a slime coating to maybe help them cope with any toxic levels that may come |
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| Author: | GBHTREV [ Jun 16th, '12, 02:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
i use this link to calculate my levels http://www.cnykoi.com/calculators/calcnh3c.asp |
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| Author: | keith [ Jun 16th, '12, 03:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
some people will use eggwhites to help "clarify" the water.. it does to this by acting as a flocculant (dirt sticks to it), but then sinks to the bottom of the tank.. where it will start to decompose..so you should siphon it out.. |
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| Author: | Jesuscowboy [ Jun 17th, '12, 00:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
Just wanted to give a summary and update. Started fishless cycling with ammonia three weeks ago. Ammonia and Nitrite levels got to zero and stayed that way for a week. Tested water the day before added fish: Ph: 7.6 Ammonia: 0 ppm Nitrite: 0 ppm Nitrate: 20 ppm. Temp: 84 Added 40 small tilapia: Day After Ph 7.6 Ammonia 2 PPM Nitrite Not tested Nitrate Not tested Temp 84 Added 3 ppt Salt yesterday Tested this morning Ph 7.6 High Ph 7.4 Temp 82 Ammonia .5 PPM Nitrite 5 PPM Nitrate 40 PPM Have not feed fish in two days; what do you guys think I should do now, water clear up some and can at least to the bottom of the FT they all are alive. Should I just give it another day and monitor not feeding fish, add another round of salt, or what? By the way thanks for all the help you guys are great. I have many people interested in getting involved with AP but I'm the guinea pig. |
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| Author: | scotty435 [ Jun 17th, '12, 01:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Help New Fish |
Be patient and do not feed. The fish can go for quite awhile without eating (Probably not weeks like the older fish can go though). Your Ammonia and Nitrites are still a problem and they need to come down. It could take a day or longer so don't rush it. I'd just leave the salt the way it is. |
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