Backyard Aquaponics
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Wether you agree or disagree with the law it was good of the agent to post it. Most agents don't bother to sort out the particulars they just arrest and let the judges sort it out. Its not good to have your fate up to wether the judge is a reasonable guy or a letter of the law type. And given the size of the penalties it would bankrupt most its a bad bet. To say it was difficult to find out the state law on tilapia here was an understatement. Couldn't find it online had to ask directly for it, and was only given a printed copy. Good job Johnny for bringing him in to post. We should all be aware that this is a domain that can be viewed by anyone including law enforcement. I have a permit that allows me to keep them, and I intend to. But if the law changes and further restricts them I will not. But as far as not being able to keep the wild caught fish I would petition for a change and perhaps even solicite the state for a bounty on the heads or something which would make much more sense. But abide until the laws are changed. I have personally found petitions work really well on a state level elected body! Complaints rarely help but suggestions with viable solutions work really well especially if backed by the right sponcers. I'm proud of my oldest daughter who was involved with the Youth Legeslature who put forth a bill to stop *butterflies* fighting in Louisiana and the bill was introduced and became law. Stupid laws happen they usually start with good intent. They can be fixed but it requires a little positive activism. While I think tilapia will eventually get here from florida/Alabama on one side and Texas on the other and a lot of coastal estuaries inbetween. But so far they have kept them out.

dont worry grunta

were just talking. no hard feelings.



my example relates to the passage i stated.


WA is split into several zones. What the legislation says is that whether i get it from the east or from within the state from another zone- if its ornamental i dont need a permit either way, but if its even for non-commercial aquaculture then i need to go through the ringer.
the exact situation as i put it sees 2 potential retailers selling me a fish, from the same hatchery.
with one i walk in and buy and walk out, or has been my experience i go in and order a batch of fingerlings with their next incoming shipment.
The other scenario i need Paperwork,that according to Boris above, might not even be forwarded to me.
so people will just do what Boris outlines. The ineffective legislation will see Boris paying more for his fish, the potential importer or intrastate producer of aquaculture stock disadvantaged, and the translocation officers open to public ridicule.




sure you can kill it. You can even take its head off and leave that on the bank.
but as Chappo shows above, qld sees itself fit to deprive me of my wild catch by stating it is prohibited dead or alive.
Victoria on the other hand reasonably dictates that the Live fish is prohibited.
a simple modification of the wording would encourage fishing for this species while not increasing the likelihood of spread in any way.



will they? I thought we lived in a democracy
We will see what Aquarists all over the country have to say about that wont we
so far it looks like a discussion paper about white and balck and grey lists. I can see through the poli-speak in there and cant tell you they dont yet have a clue how they are going to pass this and make it work.

http://westerncichlids.com.au/?dl=2

heres an excellent submission by the Australian and NG fishes association, relating to the proposed changes to the legislation.
http://www.angfa.org.au/ftp/ANGFA_ornamentals.pdf



the link to affashop is broken
as is trying a direct URL to affashop

however in that article you sent me it states that breeders for sale with capacity under 10 000L are exempt from holding an aquaculture licence
so it wont affect most aquaponics users , even for sale or barter of excess fish stocks



Yes it definitely was.

I dont keep any live Tilapia, or Carp. There are better fish to grow here.
the more i read though the more crystalised what suggestions to make become.
You are meant to bury any tilapia above the high water line, well why not just the head and guts?

i am glad there is no hard feelings guys, you are all a wealt of knowlidge and i look forward to reading more about the positives if any come out of this?

Juice monkey

Thank you for being very civil on this site.

Hi,
I was interested in the discussion about Tilapia. I lived in Fiji for several years and we used to see lots of Tilapia. They are great fish, and interesting to have in an aquarium as well as in a pond. I think that most fish will achieve a balance of their populations in their habitats, depending on the environment. In New Zealand they make really dumb decisions about fish, such as the mosquito fish which is never going to be much of a threat, and actually provides food for the bigger native species. The same thing is probably true here in Lake Tinaroo on the Atherton Tablelands where there are Tilapia in the lake, and the Barramundi are growing to record sizes.
Recently the views of many scientists were dis-proven at a meeting in the Pacific. If you are interested in this event, you can read about it on scienceblogs.com/observations/2010/04 - "Tilapia and Fiji's Fish: Revisited etc".

This would suggest that in some if not most cases fish can achieve a balance of species and numbers in most environments. IT IS NOT neccessary to poison lakes, fine people for fishing or call fish "noxious". I am also surprised about some of the proposed regulations for aquarists. They are really ridiculous. I think people should be able to keep whatever fish they like, provided they can look after them.
If there are some rare species which MIGHT be threatened by introduced species, then they should simply separate certain areas and discourage people from releasing fish there.
I also realise that the laws vary in different states. Here is Queensland they just seem to want to be tough about everything, without really considering the implications in the future.

People can't look after things though. Which is why you find tilapia in places like Lake Tinaroo and the lakes near the hotels in Port Dougla, and . Yes the majority of people play fair but there are idiots that don't and they ruin it for everyone.
Tilapia are very fast breeding fish which out compete the natives. In PD, 7 or so fish were released into one of the lakes. Those 7 fish turned into something like 14 tonne of tilapia in 18 months.
If you speak to almost anyone with a vested interest, fishers, gov't, scientists they day the exact opposite, that not enough had been fine historically.