Red Fin In WA

earthbound

Nup.... Seems to be pretty damn specific unfortunately.. Or more to the point, totally up to their discretion.

Point 8 below seems to be the clincher, and point 1..

Quote:

FISH RESOURCES MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS 1995 - REG 176
176 . Control of fish not endemic

(1) A person must not bring into the State, or a particular area of the State, a live fish of a species not endemic to the State, or that area of the State, other than in accordance with —

(a) the written approval of the CEO;

(b) the written authority of the CEO under subregulation (2); or

(c) an aquaculture licence.

(2) An application for an authority under subregulation (1)(b) —

(a) is to be made to the CEO in a form approved for that purpose by the CEO; and

(b) is to be accompanied by the fee set out in item 15 of Part 2 of Schedule 1.

(3) An approval or authority under subregulation (1) is subject to any conditions specified in the approval or authority by the CEO.

(4) The CEO may vary or cancel a condition specified in an approval or authority under subregulation (1) by notice in writing given to the holder of the approval or authority.

(5) The CEO may vary or cancel an approval or authority under subregulation (1) at any time by notice in writing given to the holder of the approval or authority.

(6) A person must not contravene an approval or authority issued under subregulation (1).

(7) A person who is in possession of a fish of any species of fish not endemic to the State, or the area of the State where the person is in possession of the fish, must destroy the fish if the fish is found to be infected with any disease, unless otherwise approved in writing by the CEO.

(8) The species of fish listed in Schedule 10 are to be taken to be not endemic to the State for the purposes of the Act, but Schedule 10 is not a conclusive list of species of fish which are not endemic to the State for the purposes of the Act.

Penalty: $10 000.

Quote:

FISH RESOURCES MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS 1995 - SCHEDULE 10

[reg. 176]

Non-endemic species of fish permitted to be brought into the State

Part 1 — Species of fish endemic to areas of Australia outside the State

1. Cod, Murray

2. Eel, Short-finned

3. Perch, Golden

4. Perch, Silver

5. Redclaw, Queensland

6. Yabbie, Common

7. Yabbie, White

Part 2 — Species of fish not endemic to Australia

1. Perch, Redfin

2. Salmon, Atlantic

3. Trout, Brown

4. Trout, Rainbow

Boris01

rainbow trout and silver perch huh ...

yabbies and gambusia too

I suppose Im up for a $40,000 fine . better start saving up or filing for bankruptcy

chillidude

Thanks EB - gotta admit, that does change my stance/opinion :shock:

Nocky

Wow, what a debate,
Rupe it is a Mate's dam and not mine, the fish he stocked it with were 10 Gambusia which were originally released by a government department, he now has 10's of thousands in less than a year, it is dam and I am not going to tell him what he can and can't do, mainly because he is 2 axe handles across the shoulders and he has a big gun
Rick classic point, why are we not banned from owning Gold Fish.
Joel I can understand an ass kicking for Tilapia as they are as yet not a big problem.
Joel in reading the lists you posted we are all breaking the law, red fin and Rainbows are on the same page, if I read it right every one I know in WA is breaking the law? do we all need licenses?
Rick after a fair bit of homework I would have to agree with TM, yo will never control them in a dam and you will end up with thousands of stunted fish,

I am writing to fisheries as mentioned before, and will post findings when available, my intention is to find a summer fish for my area as Barra at $8 each are an expensive experiment, they wont grow in one season and I doubt they would survive winter and $8 is ridiculous, SP are not my cup of tea, I have tasted ones from a dam and don't like them, according to Joels list, SP RF and RT are all on the same page

Rick wrote:

Definition of Endemic. "Regularly found among a people or in a country or district

after 120 years and as wide spread as they are, this description would have to make them Endemic, but rules say not, I doubt any freshwater edible fish are Endemic to WA and most must have been introduced, as mentioned yabbies have the same class and same rules and yet people have created successful businesses out of them, licensed no doubt, I am not out to make any money from red fin or break any rules, if they are already widespread in our state then why not make use out of them, and if they work well maybe thin them out, though that i doubt, same with rabbits

Troutman

[quote="chillidude"]While I've got you here, and we're sort of on the subject, are you going to make it known to the forum when you're interested in taking orders this year ?
Will start taking orders mid March with deliveries to Perth begining in early April weather permitting. Will post notification once closer to the date.

[quote="Rick"]With your knowledge of this, if they were fished hard enough and fed well enough, would it be possible to keep abreast of there breeding??
You would have to work pretty hard and I recon eventually they would get on top of you. If it were me I would put your small Silver Perch in the dam (where they will grow much quicker) and then fish them out for your aquaponics system when required. ie put them in the dam when you have trout in the aquaponics system and once you harvest all your trout come summer move the Silver Perch in. Silvers do well in cages in dams so to make harvesting easier you could keep them in a cage.

Nocky

Gav the same GWH mentioned earlier in thread put 100 silvers in a dam (not the same soak as gambusia) 10 years ago and has not been able to remove them all, he has a deep deep dam, they wont take a bait and impossible to net, the dam is well stocked with marron and they obviously don't need anything else to eat, on lucky occasions we have caught some, he reckons about 20 all up, they haven't breed as far as he knows and they can be seen jumping around at dusk, the 6 I have seen caught (recently) are not that big and tasted like roast turd (not that I have roasted a turd, but I imagine it would taste like these SP), cages would be the only solution to harvesting them.

I have sent an email to Fisheries WA asking about a range of things from Pygmy Perch to Yabbies including Trout and Red Fin Gambusia and other stuff, so when/if I get a reply I will post what I can, but after extensively reading the Fishwa site I can't see any difference between having Yabbies, Red Fin, Trout, Gold Fish, Gambusia, a few pages seem to contradict others so full clarification is needed

earthbound

Yes, it would seem that the law is an ass in some situations. Johnnie 7au was contacted by the fisheries translocation officer, and the guy even joined and posted in this thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=fisheries+tilapia

Just remember, we all have fish tanks with biological filters, not aquaponic systems. Then it seems everything is ok.

Nocky

Joel in my letter I stated AP if I get a negative response then should I go Bio Filter :?:

RupertofOZ

Nocky wrote:

Rick classic point, why are we not banned from owning Gold Fish.

Under the new National Noxious list... I think WA has adpoted it.... you probably are... as are most ornamentals...

RupertofOZ

If you read the list (I'll try and find the link)... even a lot of traditional aquaria and ornamental fish are now prohibited... including and especially the "cichlids"...

If a person is found in possession of a listed noxious fish then they could be fined up to $20,000.

The final "national" list is still being compiled... and each state has submitted a proposed list of additional species...
http://www.feral.org.au/feral_docume...ish%20list.pdf

Here's the current QLD one.... http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/28_13605.htm

And proposed QLD additions...
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/documents/...-additions.pdf

And the NT one... http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Fisheries/ind...Species%20List

Some NSW info... http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/...ine-vegetation
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/...t/noxious-fish

The VIC list... http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nrenfaq.n ... yout=DPI+S ite~Printer+Friendly

The SA list... http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fisheries/a...ious_fish_list

The WA list... http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/R...index.php?0505

The TAS info...
http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisher...t-fish-species
http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisher...der%202007.pdf

And here's the background brief... http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...-Australia.pdf
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chillidude

earthbound wrote:

Just remember, we all have fish tanks with biological filters, not aquaponic systems. Then it seems everything is ok.

Cool - I have an individual biofilter in each of my tanks. Gotta admit, do spend some time sitting and watching the tank I've got setup in the orchard now that the filter has totally cleared the water.

Nocky

Link for WA doesn't work Rupe

earthbound

Seems a few of the links don;t work, heres the W.A. one.

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/Rest ... x.php?0505

RupertofOZ

Sorry about that.... try these...

The final "national" list is still being compiled... and each state has submitted a proposed list of additional species...
[url="http://www.feral.org.au/feral_documents/National%20noxious%20fish%20list.pdf"]http://www.feral.org.au/feral_documents/National%20noxious%20fish%20list.pdf[/url]

Here's the current QLD one.... http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/28_13605.htm

And proposed QLD additions...
http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/documents/Fisheries_PolicyAndLegislation/Pest-fish-Proposed-additions.pdf

And the NT one...
http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Fisheries/index.cfm?Header=Noxious%20Species%20List

Some NSW info...
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/pests-diseases/noxious-fish-and-marine-vegetation

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/habitat/help/permit/noxious-fish

The VIC list...
http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nrenfaq.nsf/childdocs/1E772B9EED291019CA257692007B520C?Open&Layout=DPI+Site%7EPrinter+Friendly

The SA list...
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fisheries/archived_content/aquarium_and_ornamental_fish/prohibited_noxious_fish_list

The WA list...
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RestrictedFish/index.php?0505

The TAS info...
http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisherymanagement/pestfish/pest-fish-species

http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisherymanagement/pestfish/pest-fish-species/Inland%20Fisheries%20%28Controlled%20Fish%29%20Order%202007.pdf

And here's the background brief...
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/288425/Management-of-ornamental-fish-in-Australia.pdf

RupertofOZ

Still didn't get the first one right... :evil:

The final "national" list is still being compiled... and each state has submitted a proposed list of additional species...
http://www.feral.org.au/feral_documents/National%20noxious%20fish%20list.pdf

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