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 Post subject: Re: Bridgette's System
PostPosted: Jun 8th, '09, 05:17 
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How are you governing back the pump so it takes longer to fill the grow beds? In general restricting a pump will be hard on the pump for little or no benefit. If you wish to make the grow beds take longer to fill, perhaps diverting some of the pump flow back to the fish tank for extra aeration will give you a benefit from the extra power usage of the too big pump. Of course you might be better off just letting the extra flow go through the grow beds and down the stand pipes for the extra time and get the aeration with some extra filtration that way. Or you get a smaller pump but then you don't have the extra capacity for expansion. Some extra flow for aeration is usually a good thing.

Even if it only takes 3 minutes to flood your grow beds, you still want to make sure you are moving a good portion of your fish tank water each hour just to make for better water quality for your fish, especially if you are going for a fish that likes lots of aeration.

If you are getting ponding over your media in some areas, then you are either flooding too deep or you need some more media to fill up the low areas. If there are plants in the low areas, they might suffer from wet feet or root/stem rot if they are picky about that. If there are no plants in the low areas then you probably only need to worry about unsightly algae growing in those places.


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 Post subject: Re: Bridgette's System
PostPosted: Jun 8th, '09, 05:22 
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I govern it by gate valves at the entry to each grow bed, not hugely governed but enough to allow the sump pump to keep up with the retun water , I was wondering yesterday about your suggestion about diversion, my system is next door to our outdoor entertainment area and I was thing a fountain in the main FT or a set of flowforms etc for decoration, the water running sound but more importantly aeraton
Out with the saw and the blue glue again I think

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PostPosted: Jun 8th, '09, 13:10 
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Bridgette wrote:
Cycle times - the standard seems to be 15 on 45 off, now this fits in with a lot of cheap timers on the market and the 60 minutes on a clock but I was wondering on the science behind it. Are we cycling for 15 minutes to fully fill the grow beds or are we cycling for this time to aerate the water, my pump can fill 3 or 4 grow beds in a couple of minutes so I have govered it back to take longer but still its quick and the water is then flowing over the top of the drain tube and exiting into the fingerling tank.
So either I need the 15 minutes for aeration and I could go to a much smaller pump which would be much more efficient and just pump slower like a Jeboa 3000 or I could just cycle the pump on for a shorter time requiring me to get a fancy timer



Bree stick with the 15 minutes as it is turning over the water (many advocate turning the volume of your tank over once per hour) and adding aeration. Put a diversion in the outlet line so that it circulates back into your tank but allow as much water to cycle through the beds as the 25mm outlet pipe will allow. Throttle back the beds till the overflow pipe has about a 10mm ring of air visible in the overflow and the rest is water falling cleanly over the pipe, not backing up or gurgling. This will maximise the amount of water being passed through your GB's and therefore being filtered.

I found that if I did not allow for the 10mm ring of air to be visible in the overflow then the bed started backing up and in one instance overflowed. Now I check all the overflows once a week and just tweek them to get the even overflow if needed, it does change over time as biofilm builds up. If you find you have to change the tap a fair bit, chances are there are a few holes blocked in your distribution pipe on the GB's so check them.

As you have alluded to, make sure that your sump pump can keep up with the overflow as well as this.


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PostPosted: Jun 14th, '09, 07:00 
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Well no floaters this morning all seems good, did some testing of amonia last night and again this morning, last night is was basically zero, this morning the figures are as below-

Amonia 0.25 max
PH - 7.4
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 0

Comments would be appreciated, havent given them their first feed yet will do that later this morning, have added some pics


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PostPosted: Jun 14th, '09, 07:59 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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awesome Bree :cheers:


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PostPosted: Jun 14th, '09, 10:33 
:lol: ... had a feeling pulling out the camera might prompt you Bree...

If you hadn't posted some pics ... I would have... :lol:

Yep, you're set up is looking just fine Bree... time to get some plants in and growing... :wink:

Give the trout a feed this morning (if you haven't already done so)... and test again late this arvo... and post your results up...


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PostPosted: Jun 14th, '09, 13:01 
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I have given then a desert spoon full of feed this morning, cant say they were really excited about eating it though,
readings are the same as this morning

PH - 7.4
Amonia - 0.25
nitrite - 0
nitrate - 0

Is this normal and was that enough feed a desert spoon full ?

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PostPosted: Jun 14th, '09, 14:14 
If the fish aren't hitting the feed hard, or as hard as normal... then there's no point in feeding more...

Try a bit of feed later today... the trout have travelled a fair distance and may still be settling in... they wont starve...

Good chance they're hanging lower and quieter in the tank today anyway...as a cold front is moving through...


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I found if I stood there on one leg and called them by saying come to mumma and attracted their attention they showed interest in the food and did a bit of frenzy sort of thing, way cool, any requests for photos of this ritual will be ignored, lol


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PostPosted: Jun 15th, '09, 14:11 
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Have tested again this morning and the results were as below so I fed again

PH - 7.4
Amonia - 0 - 0.25
nitrite - 0
nitrate - 0


will check in a hour or so
(this arvo)


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PostPosted: Jun 15th, '09, 20:23 
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still all good
still feeding a desert spoonful of food morning and night and readings are remaining the same, if anything the amonia has gone down, am I feeding them enough should i be feeding more, water temp is around 12 degrees of a day

amonia <0.25
nitrate - 0
nitrate - 0

Is this all normal?


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PostPosted: Jun 15th, '09, 21:16 
Steady as she goes Bree... it's a new system... two dessert spoons a day for 50 fish will be enough for the rest of the week... :wink:


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PostPosted: Jun 16th, '09, 10:14 
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Back to the pump timing thing ..... if your pump un-restricted can fill beds in 5 minutes and if can drain back in 15 , you are far better doing 3 pump drain CYCLES PER HOUR. A lot better than just over-flooding just so pump can run 15 minutes , and restricting the pump causing excessive load.


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PostPosted: Jun 16th, '09, 11:11 
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The theory behind the larger pump and the 15 minute cycles is two fold. A smaller pump will not have the suck to get the solids out of the fish tank as quickly and easily as a larger pump, nor the capacity to turn over a lot of water out of the fish tank.

Big pump pumping for 15 minutes straight through the over flowing beds means good solids removal, good aeration, and good water turnover.. This is more essential as the stocking levels increase of course.


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