⚠️ This forum has been restored as a read-only archive so the knowledge shared by the community over many years remains available. New registrations and posting are disabled.

All times are UTC + 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Jan 24th, '09, 17:13 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Hey gang,

Thought I'd give some background and show a few pics of this little project I'm doing for my partner.

The background is that she has a small goldfish pond in her courtyard (photos to come) that I put together for her a year or so ago. It’s an old fibreglass indoor planter of about 80-90L. Right now it has 2 goldfish (there was 4) but it always gets algal blooms and a bit stagnant. So I have been trying to think of how I can add a small filter to it. Just something to physically filter the water so I’ve been looking at things such as internal sponge filter, external canister filter, etc, etc.

Heck knows why, but I only put 2&2 together last weekend....

So I've built a small aquapoincs system (well the hydroponics part of it given the pond is already there) that will mount on the fence above the pond, provide all the filtration the pond needs, add enough filtration that Kel can stock more than 2 goldfish (aiming for about 6) and will also provide some basic veg's like a few herbs and lettuce.

Here's the pics of it built, but not painted or installed (that's next weekend):

Image

Image

The 2x growbeds are 1m long 150mm PVC with matching ends caps.
The openings take up 1/3 of the overall circumference and the capacity of each GB will be about 16-17L for a total capacity of about 32-34L.
Water will be pumped to the GB through the 12mm poly and there will be 6x 2mm nozzles in each GB delivering water to the expanded clay media. The 12mm poly forms a full loop as to lessen any pressure differences.
Water drains from the GB via the 19mm poly.

I’ve tried to keep this unit REALLY simple so there is no flooding as such. It should be free-draining and I’ll start with the pump on/off at 15/45min and see how that goes.

That’s about it. It’s really simple and will be fully painted in the same colour as the fence to help it blend in.

AJ.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
    Advertisement
 
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 01:40 
Legend Member
Legend Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 4th, '08, 09:36
Posts: 549
Images: 0
Location: Perth
Gender: Female
Are you human?: I think...I hope so!
Location: Sou'West Oz
That is gorgeous! welcome and I look forward to some more developments! :flower:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 05:49 
A posting God
A posting God

Joined: Sep 15th, '07, 09:09
Posts: 3712
Location: WA
Gender: Male
Hi Aaron :)

Nice work, you may want to put a filter inline if possible that can be cleaned out or alternatively run the pump through a half barrel of media for a week. Ponds tend to get a lot of crap in them and it will end up in those gb's initially.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 06:19 
Almost divorced
Almost divorced
User avatar

Joined: Oct 17th, '07, 12:03
Posts: 1495
Location: Sonoma
Gender: Male
Are you human?: Y: I have affadavit
Location: Sonoma, California, USA
Welcome aboard!

Nice looking system, but I can't help remembering my various floods and replumbing as reality trumped theory. Looks like you are planning flood/drain (a darned good way to go, many have concluded after trying some other methods): do you mind a couple thoughts?

1) Fishtank to growbed plumbing: solids always clog little holes and tubes. Flushing with a hose can help keep things working, but bigger pipes are nicer and less trouble.

2) flood/drain works if pump fills faster than growbed bottom drain, but it looks as if you only have a single drain: you will either flood out onto the ground or never fill your growbeds. The typical solution is to have an overflow and a bottom drain, normally in one "standtube", but there are other options. I really like your media fence to keep the media from clogging your drain: nice idea.

Sweet idea. I hope someone can come up with something that homeowners will enjoy for herb gardens etc: something that looks good, sounds good, tastes good, and does not cost too much.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 06:37 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Tthanks for the welcome, but I've been here for a little while already and this is the second little system I've posted!

Sleepe:
Will be retaining the small sponge filter on the pump which will suffice for the initial start-up. Reduced flow out of the nozzles will signal the sponge needs rinsing. Once things have been up and running for a few weeks the sponge filter will come off allows small amounts of solids to make it to the GB... I though this was actually a good thing to achieve???

Also, this pond is in a courtyard, so there will be no solids entering it other than fish food/waste. Large amounts of solids will not be the issue and it’s the nutrients I am hoping this new system will deal with, therefore reducing algal blooms.

Hydro:
I always welcome thoughts....

1) As I mentioned to Sleepe, large amounts of solids should not be an issue. ‘IF’ the 2mm nozzles block a small piece of 1mm wire I'll that I'll have on a small hook hidden in behind the GBs for easy access will suffice to dislodge anything that does reduce flow out of a nozzle.

2) It’s not flood/drain. It is even more simple and… flow-through, or just drain! The pump will be 15min on 45min off to start with and the nozzles exit on top of the GB media. I have a couple of vertical GBs on my Yabby system that work about the same. However, they are constant flow, so I am just copying that but making the GBs horizontal, increasing flow and making it intermittent to accommodate the increased flow.

Does that make sense? No flood, just drain and placing the pump on a timer in order to control wet/dry.

AJ


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 07:13 
Almost divorced
Almost divorced
User avatar

Joined: Oct 17th, '07, 12:03
Posts: 1495
Location: Sonoma
Gender: Male
Are you human?: Y: I have affadavit
Location: Sonoma, California, USA
Sorry. Overlooked your joining date. :oops:

Won't be my last mistake....unless...is that a meteor coming this way.....!?!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 07:18 
Almost divorced
Almost divorced
User avatar

Joined: Oct 17th, '07, 12:03
Posts: 1495
Location: Sonoma
Gender: Male
Are you human?: Y: I have affadavit
Location: Sonoma, California, USA
(note to self: read posts before replying)

The issue I have heard mentioned here with flow-through is anaerobic spots and dry spots and root rot. Flood/drain has the effect of causing the growbed to inhale/exhale for good wetting and oxygenation.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 25th, '09, 07:38 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Yes I know that is a possible issue and in a bigger system that’s what I’d be aiming to achieve. However, I guess in this case:

* The placement of the GB drain means no more than a few mm of water will be at the base of the GB at any given time.
* The size of the GB (i.e. very small) means air should circulate sufficiently.
* I'll add as many nozzles as need to get fairly even and full coverage over the media.
*The pump cycled 15/45min on/off should be enough to maintain moisture levels yet not have it all too wet.

Well... I'm hoping all that will be the case ;-)

AJ


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 26th, '09, 14:01 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Stripped, painted and ready for the install next weekend:

Image

Pump on order and sparky coming this week to install and exterior power point and will do the plumbing once the unit is installed in place.

AJ


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 26th, '09, 17:16 
They came up pretty good Aaron... :wink:


Top
  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 26th, '09, 22:33 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
User avatar

Joined: Dec 6th, '07, 01:13
Posts: 10709
Images: 0
Location: central FL
Gender: Female
Are you human?: YES at least mostly
Location: USA, Florida, Yalaha
Keep us posted on how this all works out in the long run. Since you are talking a really tiny set up, it might be ok but 2mm drip holes tend to clog up easily (the main question is how long till one gets sick of unclogging them all the time, as I recall in my hydroponic days, it is a daily chore.) Since it is just a little goldfish tub the minimal amount of bio filter you will get by the trickle method might be enough, just don't overfeed the goldies. Since you are talking a trickle, you might be even better off running the pump almost all the time. Perhaps only having it shut off a couple of times a day so it can perhaps clear some of it's own clogs.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 27th, '09, 17:43 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Good points TCL.

I am hoping the very small sponge filter that will be retained on the pump inlet will stop any individual particle big enough to block the 2mm nozzles yet hold very little filtrate overall. Any build-up after that should be gradual and easily dealt with via the little 1mm wire cleaner I made for the unit, which is kept in easy access for Kel behind the GBs on its own wee little hook ;-)

Image

Re the trickle filter… I’d have said it was a very large trickle filter compared to the size of the pond. Would be close to 3:1 which is pretty decent compared to most ponds and aquariums. Good way of looking at it though as I was thinking I had a small GB compared to the pond, but really its just a large trickle filter that just happens to have some plants growing in it!

But you’re a right… I may be able to get away with longer pump run times. I just figured better starting on the dry side and see how it goes from there. Maybe I'll start running it 24/7 and see if any wet feet issues arise. If not then I guess it can just stay that way (like my verticle GBs work on the yabby system).

AJ


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 27th, '09, 18:48 
A posting God
A posting God
User avatar

Joined: Jul 1st, '08, 11:03
Posts: 3690
Gender: None specified
Location: Australia NSW
What kind of paint did you use.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 27th, '09, 18:54 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Mar 8th, '07, 11:05
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne (Eltham)
Gender: Male
Location: Melbourne
Low Sheen Acrylic Exterior.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jan 27th, '09, 19:08 
A posting God
A posting God
User avatar

Joined: Jul 1st, '08, 11:03
Posts: 3690
Gender: None specified
Location: Australia NSW
Not sure how it will go with the water. How much is in contact with the media. It looked like you painted the inside of the GB.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC + 8 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Portal by phpBB3 Portal © phpBB Türkiye
[ Time : 0.059s | 13 Queries | GZIP : Off ]