Backyard Aquaponics
A place to discuss aquaponics

Good luck Codi, not a great start on the forum.

look at the upside, things can only get better.

I have tried to stay out of this one but it has become far too difficult to hold my tongue. These are my observations....

My first impression this morning when I checked my unread posts, and saw several "consortium" threads, I immediately thought SPAM. Reading your post and taking it serious after that was difficult, you can imagine.

You want us to accept you here and help expand on your vision, but have blatantly ignored common courtesy and respect. You can't post several identical posts and expect a positive response, then when you are criticized you immediately think you are under attack.

RupertofOz's first response was positive but admittedly a little sarcastic.


You then responded with the attitude that you don't need the knowledge and expertise, as long as you have the people on board who do. This is not a good attitude, and how are we to welcome you to a forum, when you do not want to learn anything. Plus then you implied that a certain member or members are fools. Which would go down well anywhere.

Then people realized that you had posted in multiple places... which sent the SPAM bells ringing.

- Lungy, questioned your intentions the same way I would have. You immediately took offense to that fact, instead of accepting that you had made a mistake and you accused him of attacking you.

- You assumed straight away that this forum would not accept you for being an American, (in response to Dthawk's post). His arguement was that your "shotgun" effect would not be as a effective as you hoped, seeing as though this is a predominately Australian forum. We do not exclude global members, in fact it is the opposite.

- This a public forum, you can't expect only positive reaction to your ideas. I understand this is an American venture, but there is no need to exclude Australians the way you did. You can't expect members to immediately stick up their hands and volunteer. They expect discussion, collaboration and ideas put forward publicly before committing to such a huge project.

- Not that we don't trust you are experienced in the Aquaculturing trade, it is still a huge under taking to do what you propose. Intensively farming table fish is a lot different to breeding oscars. I don't think there is anyone in Florida or the USA, on this forum with the experience to handle such a large venture. It is still an unproven commercial entity so licensing, certification and laws will have to be researched.

- You obviously can't take criticism, you just assume we are attacking you.
- You have compared yourself to Jesus, but Jesus didn't go around excluding and condemning the people who didn't take him seriously.
- You then continue to label all responses and posts as Negative, when in fact they are not.
- Tip: Don't correct peoples spelling mistakes... We all have flaws, some more than others...
- Then you compared yourself with Bill Gates. A know-it-all, that sponged off of other peoples success to make his own monopoly. So you want to surround yourself with people to do all the work for you?

My suggestion, start a new thread in Commercial Systems. Call it Commercial AP Florida Discussion ... NOT Consortium. REQUEST some active discussion, give some guide lines... how big, what fish, land, where?.... And see what response you get. In the mean time start up a small AP system, get a feel for what is involved. Read about some of the working systems on here.

Well put Tim, I just read some of the other threads started up by Codi and have only just caught up here ... agree with the comments and concerns expressed by other members too

Tim, as above well put and a brilliant write up.
Codi, coming into a forum with an attitude will only cause distress to all, by all accounts you have a good idea and it would of been interesting had you gone about it by other means.

Tim,

Maybe I have read some of the post incorrectly, however it would seem you are guilty of the same.

If you will re-read all the post made by me and the members and then for sure, yours, I think you will find that all except for Rupert's first one came back at me in an aggressive manner with nothing to say about what I actually inquired about. I didn't post on the forum to start a lifetime of discussion. I came looking for persons interested in discussing my idea and possibly coming onboard....a very simple request. I didn't ask anyone for money nor did I have the intention to do so. You may see my methods as SPAM, that was not my intention. I rarely go on forums of any kind and this is the first time that I have every joined one to be able to make a post of my own, however as I stated numerous times, when I do go to a forum to read something in particular, I look for that topic, read what I want and leave. I figure forums (good ones that is) to be a database of info to tap when info is needed. I figured that most persons are similar, so I posted my request on all topics to be sure that possible interested persons would see it and respond. I did not expect a response from anyone not interested in becoming directly involved in a hands on manner yet so far, that's all I have received.

1) Plus then you implied that a certain member or members are fools.

I don't have any idea where you got this thought from!


2) You obviously can't take criticism, you just assume we are attacking you.

I didn't post here to be criticized or ATTACKED, but that's basically all I have gotten.

3) You have compared yourself to Jesus, but Jesus didn't go around excluding and condemning the people who didn't take him seriously.

Read it again. I explicitly stated that I was not comparing myself to Jesus....didn't I?


4) You then continue to label all responses and posts as Negative, when in fact they are not.

The posts I labeled as negative were accusing me of being a spammer and/or someone trying to scam the members of the forum....or didn't you read that either?


5) Tip: Don't correct peoples spelling mistakes... We all have flaws, some more than others...

Correct, I have short comings also, but if you hold yourself up as perfect in front of me, I will bring you back to earth.


6) Then you compared yourself with Bill Gates. A know-it-all, that sponged off of other peoples success to make his own monopoly. So you want to surround yourself with people to do all the work for you?

Again, I didn't compare myself to Bill Gates (I think he's a complete ASS as a human being) I only made the statement that what he did by bringing on board people who knew how to do the things he didn't was a stroke of genius

Post deleted. No point!

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Oh Please I have watched this post all day in the hope of everyone being able to come to some common ground on the subject.
As i said earlier the idea appears to be a good one but was added to the forum in a manner which appeared (to say the least) as spam and was not to everyones tastes.

How's this for thinking If you don't like the idea or the way it was put DON'T reply to this post. If you do, well go right ahead, drop codi a line and plumb his intent.

Don't get me wrong in thinking I have a personal issue here, I don't, I really could not care who does what to whom (at this point). I would just like to see a bit of harmony to all users including newbies.

By my way of thinking (erratic at the best of times) every one SHOULD of gained something today, Codi would now know the way to add a post to this forum without adding it to all the sections (as users might think it is spam )
And regular users would understand that some will make mistakes when first posting here

On that note we all live HERE and a bit of patience and understanding will go along way.

a... You posted on a forum with a huge and compassionate community. Expect a response, whether you like what they have to say or not...

b... This forum is NOT a billboard!! Joining up to post a single message, several times in my opinion is SPAM. It is not a recruiting center either. You are foolish to think people will read that single post and make a decision straight away! It is like me standing up in the middle of a crowded street, saying AP sounds like a good idea, who will join me?

c... "when I do go to a forum to read something in particular, I look for that topic, read what I want and leave" Hmmm, just say I am from Florida or the states, I want to find someone with a similar interest in commercial ventures... What do I look for? Consortium... why didn't I think of that. Oh and look, it is posted in several places so I have to look at all of them to read all the information... Think before you post, I will put this down to inexperience.... you said so yourself you are not a regular forum goer.

1. The Abraham Lincoln quote: "You may think a man a fool, but you won't know until he opens his mouth." That can be taken the wrong way. Especially since ROZ also has an Abraham Lincoln quote... hmmm?

2. This is a FORUM. It is here to discuss a topic of interest. Be prepared for some criticism. The only attack against you is against your attitude, you baby! Oh and that one for anybody who is counting... What was the last sentence before your name...? "Let me hear all your thoughts."

3. You made a Jesus analogy about people not accepting what you had to say. How about you take heed of what people here have to say and take it on the chin and realize that you made a mistake, we took you for a spammer because of it. We then realized our mistake also, but you seem to have taken it way too personally.

4. First impressions count, you did what most SPAMMERS do, post in multiple places, with a large font, with vague information about a large commercial venture. People and organizations like you come and go all the time. We take these initial proposals with a grain of salt.

5. I never said I was perfect... far, far from it. I wanted to make the point that it is not COOL to correct the spelling of other members. I never said you were any more flawed than anyone else, I don't even know you.

6. "I seek to surround myself with individuals who possess different pieces of knowledge as Bill Gates did when he started Microsoft." The tactic you described will not go down well with the AP community. You have portrayed yourself as a businessman seeking AP as a quick buck to make. A niche market that needs filling. Don't expect to get a free ride while all the people that are dedicated to this field to do all the work for you. You need to know the concept and the basics before you can truly appeal to the people.

You asked for advise... you got it.

That is all from me... I do wish you mountains of success in your venture. If you have any AP related questions to ask, I will be happy to answer them, as will anyone here....

Geez I am glad I missed all that shyte...
The bus stops just up the corner codi get off any time you don't like the ride!!
We're all staying.

Codi,
I'm going to try to be helpful here, in spite of us all getting off on the wrong foot.

1. May I suggest you contact your local Small Business Association to look for partners in a business venture. If you want to gather local resources to you, using a global forum probably won't do it. Contact real estate agents, learn about property foreclosures, and understand your local regulations concerning aquaculture, organic farming and hydroponics. You won't find regulations on aquaponics; it's too new.

2. Do develop some understanding of aquaponics yourself. Build a prototype. If he is your role model, realize that Bill Gates knows the rudiments (probably more) of computers. You may understand fish quite well, but do you know how to tell if there is a nutrient deficiency in your AP system and how to correct for it? Do you know what pH range is best for the plants to uptake nutrients? How about what additives are safe for both fish and plants? These are basic concepts in AP, and are really key for even the AP businessman to understand.

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A forum is a living breathing community with knowledge to be shared, and relationships to be built. These people are my friends although I have actually met few of them. I know if I went to Australia or El Salvador, or several other countries, I would have a place to stay and a friend to share a beer with. If all of us regarded this place simply as a repository of information and did not contribute what we can, there would be nothing here. We look to newcomers to read to find the information they need, ask the questions they need, and then contribute what they can when they are able.

Can I add Janet... Look for existing Aquaculture operations that may be for sale. Just like one which is currently going in WA. Build up your expertise on an existing and established system, where you are familiar, keep it running for a year or two. Then, get interested people to come and help you to gradually convert it to Aquaponics. I feel that this may be an ideal starting point, and I would do this myself if I had the money.

Plus governments are not too generous to people with unproven or massive ideas like these. Start building up a project portfolio. Start doing or sharing experiments. Do your own research. You will more likely be able to obtain grants if they believe your plan is strong and well through out...

hear hear or here here... good advice
oh and we would be very VERY cheesed off if you didn't have a beer/cider/vino if/when you visit our friendly shores jp!!

welcome to BYAP codi.

hope you enjoy your stay.