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| Author: | OceanJeff38 [ Apr 3rd, '11, 18:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
Two Questions about the water environment. 1) Is simply letting the water trickle or fall into the tank sufficient to oxygenate the water for the fish and/or the plants? 2) In which tank does the bacteria form? With the fish, or with the plants? Or both? I think the answers are as follows, please correct me if I'm wrong: 1) yes, simply letting the water fall into the tank from a decent height (3 to 4 inches above) is enough to oxygenate water...? 2) both. later all, jeff c P.s. I also have a third question: How long does it take for the bacteria to convert the ammonia into nitrites, then nitrites into nitrates...? Is it pretty well instant? Very curious folks, thanks for replying. |
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| Author: | freoboy [ Apr 3rd, '11, 18:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
Hi Jeff, Your bacteria mostly grows in the gravel, and the process takes time Welcome to the addiction |
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| Author: | johnfenn [ Apr 3rd, '11, 19:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
Re water falling into a tank. Water falling in a nice even flow (laminar Flow) will not make a lot of bubbles, you need to dirty the flow up a little. Make the holes not round but jagged, so put something in front of the flow to break it up, make the fall as high as possible. You can see the difference just by observing the result of sticking your finger into the flow. J |
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| Author: | TCLynx [ Apr 4th, '11, 08:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
The more splashing, bubbling, surface agitation you can get the better the aeration is going to be. However, if there is not much to bring the bottom water to the surface, you might still not get enough aeration especially during hot weather when the water doesn't hold as much oxygen anyway. If the water trickling back into the fish tank is going to be enough will greatly depend on the size of the fish tank, the fish mass in the tank, amount of additional biological oxygen demand in the tank, and the temperatures you are dealing with as well as the total flow rate and design of the system. For instance, if you are simply flowing water from a raft bed into the fish tank from the height of 3 or 4 inches at a rate of say 2 gallons per minute and you don't have any additional aeration in the raft tank and you have a large fish load, I would say NO the water trickling back to the fish tank won't be enough. Or if you are doing timed pumping and there are long periods of time between water flow when there is no water trickling back to the fish tank well then probably NO it's not enough. As to the bacteria, they colonize all wet surfaces in a system. However, they do best on wet surfaces that are dark and get plenty of access to well oxygenated water. Flood and drain gravel beds are great for providing those conditions though constant flow/flood beds work well for it too as long as the flow is enough to keep the water throughout the bed well aerated. Initially the bacteria need to colonize the system and we call this cycling up a system and this process usually takes 6 weeks give or take depending on conditions. Look up the nitrogen cycle and cycling up a system or fishless cycling to learn more about the process. Once the system is cycled up, the bacteria have to have access to the ammonia and then the nitrite before they can convert it so it isn't really instantaneous. Generally a properly sized system though the fish produce the ammonia at a rate that the bacteria can convert before it reaches a measurable range to us normally and same with the nitrite. Most of the time we shouldn't be seeing spikes unless there is a sudden change in feeding, fish load, temperatures or other disruption. Now if you were to cycle up a system and then "dose" enough ammonia to say bring the system to some set ppm of ammonia all at once, then it is going to take some period of time for the bacteria to handle that amount of ammonia, they don't do it instantly, they can't it takes some time for the ammonia to disperse into the water even. However the test to say a system is "fishlessly cycled up" is when you can dose to 1 ppm of ammonia and within 24 hours have both the ammonia and nitrite levels reach 0. |
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| Author: | OceanJeff38 [ Apr 4th, '11, 15:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
awesome info, thanks guys. I know I have a lot of reading to do, but it's gonna be fun! The main reason I am asking, is that I have an AeroGarden growing squash in my living room right now, and there is a pump in the bottom of the water/nutrient tank, that constantly bubbles, and I was just curious how the water gets oxygenated again with the fish constantly using the oxygen. Do the plants put oxygen back into the water through their roots, the way they put the oxygen back into the air? If not, are there plants that you can get that will do this? That might be a dumb question, there probably are lots of them ! oh well, onward and upward. thanks again all, jeff c |
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| Author: | TCLynx [ Apr 4th, '11, 21:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Does water have to be oxygenated, and where are bacteria? |
Plants only add oxygen to the water when the sun is shining, at night they use oxygen. Most aquaponics system use some form of supplemental aeration either an pump spraying water back into the fish tank constantly or an air pump and air stones. |
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