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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 09:46 

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Hi can anyone help me I am new to aquaponics I set up a pond and 2 growing beds everything was going great for the first couple of weeks until i got an amazing amount of algae I dropped about 2 thirds of my water and the pond cleared for a couple of days then back came the algae with a elegance I ended up buying some algae killer that was supposed to be safe for fish and plants it cleared my pond but after a week my plants started to die i rang backyard aquaponics told them what i had done they informed me that the product is just watered down round up
I have dropped the water three times in one month the fish are fine but every time i put plants in the grow beds they last about 4 to 5 days then start to die dose anyone have any suggestions

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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 10:38 
Are you perhaps flooding too high in the growbeds??? .... are the plants wilting??

More than likely, in addition to the above.... you're system is still cycling... hence the algae... and may not yet be providing nitrates... try some seasol or maxicrop....

And shade your fish tank... one the fish like a bit of cover... and two it will cut down on the algal bloom... your water will clear as you cycle....

It would be helpful if you could post some pics of your setup... and your test results for pH, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and the water temp....

If you haven't got a test kit... please get one.... :wink:


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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 11:35 
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Costa,
The probably worst news you're going to hear, is that the algae (Pea Soup) in the tank is a "Normal stage".
Pretty much every system goes through this as the initial "Cycling" process happens and good bacteria is forming.
It will be green for a couple of weeks and then it will clear itself almost overnight.

The stuff you were trying to get rid of, was a sign that every thing was doing just fine!
As Rupert Said, it can be reduced by shade and aeration.


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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 11:44 
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Roundup kills in 9 days but thats when they spray it on the plants. 4 days for roots soaked in it sounds right.

Anyone know how long the stuff will stay in water. We used algae killer before in the pool but the stuff never lasted too long. Maybe lay off the plants for a couple off weeks to see if the rest breaks down.


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Costa what was the name of the algae killer so we can determine what was the active constituent of what you have added. When we can know this we should also be able to determine what may still be in the system and any long term effects. An aquaponic system is designed the combine the natural processes and we never use algae killer in any of our systems, we simply do not have the need.


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Thanks for your thoughts on my plant problem I will try and be more patient.The product I used was Aquapro Algaway


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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 13:43 
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Gazette APVMA 8, 3 August 2004 page 4
NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF AGRICULTURAL AND VETERINARY CHEMICAL PRODUCTS

Pursuant to the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code scheduled to the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code Act 1994, the APVMA hereby gives notice that it has registered or varied the registration in respect of the following products, with effect from the dates shown.


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Product Name: United Farmers MCPA 500 Herbicide
Active Constituent/s: 500 g/L MCPA present as the dimethylamine salt
Applicant Name: United Farmers Cooperative Company Ltd
Summary of Use: For the selective control of broadleaf weeds in cereal, linseeds, pastures, sugar cane, and turf.
Date of Registration: 21 June 2004
Label Approval No: 58513/5L/0304, 58513/20L/0304, 58513/110L/0304, 58513/200L/0304, 58513/1000L/0304, 58513/0304
Product Name: Aquapro Algaway (for Ornamental Ponds)
Active Constituent/s: 5 g/L diuron
Applicant Name: Chemkay Pty T/A Aquatec Equipment
Applicant ACN: 051 005 915
Summary of Use: Controls most algae & greenwater common to ornamental fish.
Date of Registration: 22 June 2004
Label Approval No: 58674/1/0504


Active constituent.... diuron....

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Diuron kills weeds by inhibiting the process of photosynthesis, this means that plants cannot convert sunlight energy to grow. It is absorbed by the plant via the root system.


http://www.apvma.gov.au/chemrev/diuron_FAQ.shtml


Supposedly harmless to fish ... https://my1.bizshop.com.au/thepondshop/ ... cts_id=375


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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 13:57 
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Why is diuron being reviewed?
The active constituent diuron, product registrations containing diuron and associated label approvals are under review as part of the APVMA chemical review program. Diuron was selected for review because of concerns of potential environmental contamination of waterways as a result of diuron run-off from agricultural areas, particularly into marine environments. There were also some human health concerns about the toxicity of some impurities in the active constituent.


One should always excercise caution when adding anything to a system that is designed to grow edible fish and plants.
The product used is designed for the use in ornamental ponds - not Aquaponic systems.


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SECTION 12 - ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
This product is harmful to aquatic organisms. This product does not degrade naturally. It will not cause ecological
problems because it does not enter biological systems.


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PostPosted: Dec 2nd, '08, 19:40 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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costa - put some detailed pics up - makes it much easier to see whats happening, give us some details of the system too. It will be something pretty simple, sounds like not enough water.

Flooding too high wont usually kill the plants within a week. Even 6 months does'nt hurt too much :lol:


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