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 Post subject: Re: settling tanks
PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 12:54 
From my experience... no real difference... other than the yabbie tanks have a crudload of fine sediment that gathers over time....


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 Post subject: Re: settling tanks
PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 12:56 
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Could that be from flocking of the water. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 13:51 
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"Yep Sleepe I am very aware of pH rates etc. from breeding Cichlids etc."

Wasn't implying you wern't Vegieman :)

Didn't anyone read that Rural Industries report? It is slightly more important than "flocking" (sounds like a Kiwi social event :) ).


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"Yep Sleepe I am very aware of pH rates etc. from breeding Cichlids etc."

Wasn't implying you wern't Vegieman :)

Didn't anyone read that Rural Industries report? It is slightly more important than "flocking" (sounds like a Kiwi social event :) ).


No imply taken mate :lol: , I have downloaded the PDF and will have a real close look at it this evening, there are certainly some interesting facts in it.


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PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 16:47 
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Interesting info from the 'Potential for Chitosan to
Enhance Plant Defences in Organic Systems' and a local [Aust] product name to boot

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Agricultural chitosan formulations are not readily available in Australia for trial evaluation purposes.
One chitosan was sourced from China for trial work. A formulation of chitosan called Aminogro®
was used in most of the trials. Aminogro® is the only formulation of chitosan that is produced in
Australia and which is certified as an allowable organic input.
Screening trials were conducted in tomatoes, peas, carrots, beetroot, lettuce, snow peas, cucumber and capsicums. No phytotoxicity was observed in any of the trials. In this project, trial results were most promising in tomatoes. Aminogro® chitosan resulted in yield increases of nearly 20% in two out of three tomato trials. In all tomato trials, chitosan applications resulted in a significant improvement in powdery mildew disease control.
Trial results and recent publications in international literature indicate Solanaceae plants may
respond well to plant defence booster products. Screening of plant defence booster products in potatoes is recommended for future trial work. Solanaceae crops are significant vegetable crops in Australia, and there is a potentially large target market.


Product supplies: Organic Crop Protectants (Australia) and Leili Agrochemicals (China). Link: http://www.ocp.com.au

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Here is the product in question
http://www.ocp.com.au/category10_1.htm


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PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 19:00 
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Wonder how the fish will like it. Still be interesting to see if it can be made from the leftovers of a seafood night.


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PostPosted: Feb 18th, '09, 20:23 
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Here is the product in question
http://www.ocp.com.au/category10_1.htm


Same Parent company markets the retail version of EcoCarb.... as EcoRose... http://www.ocp.com.au/category12_1.htm

That's the Potassium BiCarbonate product I use as both a Potassium supplement... pH buffer... and powdery mildew foliar spray... registered organic input... :wink:


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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 06:57 
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Here you go http://www.plasticstrends.net/index2.ph ... df=1&id=12
Think its possibly easier to buy it :)
BTW That Aminogrow site does not seem to be functional in terms of letting you buy anything.


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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 10:04 
They usually only supply to industry with bulk orders.... they may have rebranded the product fro retail sale... as they did in the case of EcoCarb/EcoRose...


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Thanks

Might have to send them an email.


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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 10:35 
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Having read about chitosan on our BYAP forum site, I am interested to find more detail information regarding this product and its possible use in the aquaponic system.

Of primary concern is the health of the stock fish used in the system, does this product have any adverse affects on fish and aquatic creatures and flora in general?

If so could you please supply some details as to the effects and management of such?

Your time in this matter is most appreciated and I shall forward details to the members once they have been assessed and collated.

Yours truly,
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Hello Andy,

We are not sure about Aminogro in an intensively managed aquaponic system. There are unknown bacterial contaminants and a pH 3.5 may impact on things.

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I don't see the pH as an issue but the unknown bacterial contaminants :?


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From the description of how its made I am surprised there would be bacterial contaminants, you are supposed to be able to spray it right up to harvest :shock:
Only other alternative is to buy the fat blaster stuff from health stores, but with everything like that its pricy.


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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 11:04 
The other alternative is to use Seasol or Maxicrop as a general plant health tonic... by foliar spraying....

There's also been mention in the past of uses for humic/fumic acid etc... many of these suggestions come from hydroponic sources...

In reality though Vegiman.... those that have established AP systems rarely seem to suffer from any real plant health issues...

And in general it's been reported that fish health seems to be similarly enhanced within a matured AP system....

I look at things this way.... aquaponics is as close to a natural balanced eco-system as we can perhaps duplicate....

And stripped bare to it's simplified component parts.... just works, and beautifully...

The more inputs/tweaks/enhancements/add-ons etc you place into the equation.... the more likely hood that eventually something will fail/go wrong...

The problem then is determining what/which input was responsible for the problem and how to address it....

There has been much discussion lately of various solids removal ideas, filtration/sterialisation devices etc etc...

IMO... if you want to grow vegetable foods under strictly controlled environmental conditions with manipulated inputs..... stick to hydroponics.... it's methods are tried & tested

IMO... if you want to grow fish under strictly controlled environmental conditions with manipulated inputs..... aquaculture....it's methods are tried & tested

If you want to grow both fish & vegetable foods.... then just sick with a tried and tested aquaponics method....

Commercialisation... on the other hand... may require refinement/supplementation of inputs... and continual re-appraisal of methods and improvements...

Backyard AP.... just doesn't really need to be that complicated... IMO


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Backyard AP.... just doesn't really need to be that complicated... IMO


Couldn't agree more, I was simply posting what the guy said in regards to the product for the info of the members who are interested in the subject :wink: .


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